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Saturday, March 11, 2006

SHE WROTE: Writing Sex Scenes in DLD

I almost titled this "Sex in DLD: How We Did It." There is no good catchy title for this blog entry that won't get people snickering, so you get the boring title. But people have been asking how we did the sex scenes, so here it is, campers, the inside story. (See? There is nothing that doesn't have a double meaning. Beavis and Butthead, 24/7. Heh heh.)

When we started Don’t Look Down (our Romantic Adventure novel, out April 4, I’M DOING THE TALKING POINTS, BOB) back in ought four, we agreed there weren’t going to be any sex scenes. Bob didn’t like writing them, and I got squicked out thinking about writing them with somebody else, especially with I’m-just-gonna-sit-here-and-stare-at-you-like-I-think-you’re-a-ditz Bob Mayer. (It took Bob a while to get my sense of humor. Actually, he still doesn’t get my sense of humor, he just puts up with me.) So we started putting the book together and I was so excited about it that I told my agent. She was lukewarm on the whole deal—there was a pool boy flavor to the whole “I met this much younger writer in Maui and he suggested we collaborate on a book, why yes, is he attractive, what’s your point?” thing—but when I said, “And there’s no sex in the book,” she said, “Oh, yes, there is.” I said, “But Meg, the book only lasts four days. She can’t have sex with him when she’s only known him for four days.” The laughter that one got reminded me of why one of the agents there said, “Oh, right, you live in Ohio” when I argued with him once. Then Meg said, “Jenny, if I’m going to sell a collaboration, there’s going to be sex in it.”

That seemed fair.

So I e-mailed Bob and said, “There has to be a sex scene, and I think you should write it because people are used to reading my sex scenes, they’re no big deal, but a sex scene from the male point of view, that would be interesting.” And Bob e-mailed back, “Let me think. No.” And the deal had been that I’d do the YEC (yucky emotional crap) and he’d do the violence, so I was stuck.

There were other factors, like we’d both been through some fairly bad times and neither one of us was out of the woods yet, so we were both grim for different reasons. So the first draft of the book was . . . dark. In-the-darkness-there-is-death dark. Read-it-and-kill-yourself dark. Lucy was bitter and angry, and the first sex I wrote was between her and her ex-husband who was trying to get her back. It’s probably the best sex scene I’ve ever written, the character arc was brilliant (she said modestly) and Meg said she’d never read anything like it, that it was great.

But dark. Dark, dark, dark. And as we showed the book to Meg and Jen the same thing kept coming up: Nobody liked Lucy. She was depressed, she was bitter, she was angry, she was mean. Jen wrote to us both in e-mail and said, “Lucy is too depressed.” Bob wrote back, “Depressed Jenny equals depressed Lucy. Cheer up.” Okay, not helpful, but he was right. Plus, they all loved Wilder, so Bob clearly knew what he was doing. (As our agent put it, “Wilder is SO FUCKING HOT.” Yeah, I know, but how about Lucy? Nope. Sigh.)

So I deleted that dark sex scene (kill your darlings, people) and tried again, this time with Wilder and Lucy. The problem was that for the four days of the book, they’re fighting the Russian mob, a murderous ex-IRA agent and his minions, and nasty people on the movie set, and it never let up. So I wasn’t seeing a place for Wilder to turn to Lucy and say, “I’ve only known you a couple of days, and we're in extreme danger, but you’re a babe, so how about a boink?” Besides, at that stage of writing the book, Wilder wasn’t even speaking in complete sentences.

So I did what I’d vowed I’d never do: I twisted my heroine like a pretzel, completely violating her character to make that sex scene happen. After having spent the entire book as a take-charge , kickass gal, Lucy got all weepy and clingy and one thing led to another . . .

Oh, it was bad. And then it turned comic. I wrote Bob, “What is your guy wearing?” since I was going to have to take off his clothes, and Bob e-mailed back, “I don’t know what I’M wearing, he can wear whatever you want.” But I pushed and he told me and I thought, “He has to be kidding.” Under his loose untucked shirt, Wilder wears body armor. He just got back from Iraq and he doesn’t feel comfortable without it. Velcro-ed to the back of the body armor is his Glock. Under the armor he wears some kind of neoprene T-shirt (I’ve forgotten some of the details). On the inside of his belt is a garotte. Strapped to his calf is a knife. So I was writing this, Lucy discovering this as she undresses him, and I started to laugh, and so did Lucy. When she found the knife, she said, “What the hell were you expecting?” and Wilder said, “Well, not this.”

So okay, it’s a funny scene in a dark book, we needed to make it lighter anyway. (And it was great for learning things about Wilder. I wrote Bob, "She's not expecting sex, would he have a condom?" and Bob wrote back, "He's wearing BODY ARMOR, of course, he has a condom. He has to pass a physical every six months to stay on active duty, he doesn't take chances.") But then they hit the sheets and Wilder was not . . . interested. He was up for it, everything was functioning, but he was the least interested naked hero I’d ever written. And then it dawned on me that he’d been pretty passive when she undressed him. What the hell? So I wrote Bob and said, “You know, your guy is really passive here. What’s wrong with him?” (Some of you may be thinking, “Well, couldn’t you have written him interested?” I TRIED. He wouldn’t go there.) And Bob wrote back, “He knows he’s going on a mission that night. We never thought about sex before a mission.” And I wrote back, “Then why is he naked in bed with my girl?” And Bob said, “Well, he loves her, and he knows she needs it, so he’s gonna take one for the team.”

You know, even today, more than a year later, whenever I read that, the world goes red. Bob still doesn’t get it. “What wrong with taking one for the team?” he says. It’s a miracle he’s survived this long without some woman killing him.

So I wrote back, “IT’S A PITY FUCK???” And he wrote back, “No, no, no” or words to that effect and then he tried to tell me that he’d been wrong, that taking one for the team was when you were out with your buddy and there was a hot girl he wanted, so you slept with her less hot friend so your buddy could have the woman he wanted.

It was right about then I started checking flights to Savannah and looking for cheap handguns.

So while he was trying to find an explanation that didn’t make me want to hunt him down and kill him, I went back and wrote the whole thing into the scene. Lucy looked at Wilder and said, “What’s wrong with you?” and Wilder said, “Well, I know you need it, so I’m taking one for the team,” and then she made him crawl. I mean, he was on knees by the end of the scene, yes, that way, too. It was very satisfying to write in the heat of the moment, but it was one of the nastiest, ugliest scenes I’ve ever written, and I cut the whole thing right after that. Brrrrrrrr. Never again.

So we went on and revised the book, and as time passed we both got happier and the book did, too, and I went back to the beginning and wrote Lucy cheerful, and Bob wrote Wilder not as grim, and I started playing music while I wrote, mostly the three versions I have of "Holding Out For A Hero" which became Lucy's song along with "Us Amazonians," and Wilder’s best friend showed up hitting on everybody which gave Wilder a sense of humor, and once he had a sense of humor, Lucy went, “Hello,” and Wilder wiggled his eyebrows at her, figuratively speaking, and then because she was a take-charge kind of gal, she went out to the woods where he was sleeping (don’t ask, it’s a guy thing) and jumped him, and he was all for it, and I wrote a great sex scene, and everybody was happy.

By then the book had taken on a new rhythm, much lighter with hills and valley of tension. The first sex scene was at the halfway point, the mid turning point, and then just before the third turning point, stuff happens and they think the trouble is over, they’ll be out of there the next day, probably never to see each other again, and they’re alone in a hotel room. Yep, they’d have gone for it.

So I wrote Bob, eight months after the first e-mail, and said, “You know, you really should write this second sex scene in the hotel room,” and he said, “Okay.” To this day, I think it’s because I’d added a Wonder Woman motif and he was interested in the Golden Lasso, which sure enough, showed up in the scene. But I think it was also because he’d become as YECcy as I’d become violent. And the scene he wrote is great.

And then in the rewrites, we revised each other’s sex scenes the same way we revised each other’s non-sex scenes, and it wasn’t a problem. I think we hit bottom with that really awful vengeance sex scene, so after that, anything not actively squicky didn’t bother either one of us. Of course, we’re doing all of this writing in e-mail, too. I don’t see us discussing sex scenes in real life any time soon. Not enough beer in the world. But we’re doing fine with Agnes. In fact, we’re at the first sex scene now (mine to write) and it’s not a problem at all.

Because Shane is not taking one for the team, that’s why.

22 Comments:

At 11/3/06 4:35 PM, Ardath said...

God, that's hysterical! You should've heard Bob's version at HHI. Not quite as funny and he still says "taking one for the team," but he cracks a smile now.

I can't wait to read this book. Oh, hey, just read my Romantic Times for April. Congrats on the 4 1/2 stars!

 
At 11/3/06 4:38 PM, Lori said...

I can't imagine how anyone who reads either of your work and reads this blog can not buy this book. You're both talented, you're hillarious, and you've got chemistry. Hey, chemistry doesn't have to be YEX, partners, say writing partners, should have good chemistry. I think your book is going to be a raving success. I can't wait to read it.

April 4, right, Bob?

 
At 11/3/06 4:50 PM, Diane said...

You've been referring to the "Taking one for the team" comment for MONTHS and I wondered if I'd missed something. Glad to have that cleared up - and that there's no one here to hear me laughing like a maniac about it.

The concept, though - I FULLY identify with the incredulous fury it induces. Men are, by and large, a nice invention but sometimes - sheesh.

 
At 11/3/06 5:19 PM, rjsdingo said...

Funny, funny stuff here. Love it! I have difficulty writing a sex scene and submitting it to my all female critique group. I literally squirm in my pants. Can't imagine writing with a partner, but worse still, one of the opposite sex. You two are so brave. Can't wait for the book.

And Bob said, “Well, he loves her, and he knows she needs it, so he’s gonna take one for the team.”

I get it ;) It's not far removed from the thinking of many guys. I know professional sportsmen who won't have sex for a week before a big game. So Wilder was actually being a hero, he was doing the job even though it wasn't in his best interest. Yay for the hero!! We need more guys like Wilder. : )

 
At 11/3/06 6:11 PM, micki said...

Thank You for posting this! I was wondering how two friends could write sex scenes together without diving into some seriously embarrassing territory. For months. But I was too shy to ask, because it's really not my business.

(-: You've taken such a load off my mind -- and if I ever have to write sex scenes collaboratively, now I've got a blueprint (-:.

 
At 11/3/06 6:25 PM, talpianna said...

Jenny, save those dark and ugly sex scenes and use them in some future book--for the villain.

Diane, we can't get along without men. We'd have to kill the spiders in the bathtub ourselves....

 
At 11/3/06 6:45 PM, Eileen said...

Talpianna- I must disagree. If one can't bear the give and squish of spider killing I've discovered that a shot of hairspray kills em dead. Be warned Lysol gets them drunk and disorderly. Men however do come in handy for other things...

 
At 11/3/06 7:56 PM, Bethany said...

My GOD, this is hysterical. Laough-out-loud-wetting-my-pants hysterical. And now a new mission--find you both on a panel and ask a sex question. Seriously.

It so would be worth a "take one for the team" comment. And lots and lots of beer.

[shaking my head. STILL laughing]

 
At 11/3/06 9:30 PM, inkgrrl said...

See, I get the seeing red, but I'd also want to know that the guy I'm with will take one for the team if it's what I need, even if he's not so in the mood. That always changes in the first 5 minutes anyway because that's how most men are wired, so why get mad? Use what ya got to get what ya want... or what's that phrase? If ya ain't cheating ya ain't trying ;-)

 
At 12/3/06 3:46 AM, b'gina said...

Geez, you guys are bloodthirsty. You could always get the spider to crawl on a tissue, then carry it outside. They don't have to die because they like to crawl on cold porcelain. :-)

 
At 12/3/06 8:26 AM, DownUnderGal said...

No b'gina, all spiders must die. If they crawl into your world then die they must. Outside cute. Inside - dead. Survival of the fittest I'm afraid!
My husband is a total believer in men and women being wired differently. One of his favourite sayings is - women need a reason, men need a place.
Ultimately, I guess it depends how good the pity sex actually is.
Though I would love to read the deleted sex scene where she made him crawl, she made him beg. A blog spot maybe? Purely as a study in dark and gritty sex scenes... nothing at all to do with bringing a taking-one-for-the-team guy to his knees.
Sounds delicious ;-)

 
At 12/3/06 11:38 AM, magdiego said...

I guess I wouldn't get upset about the "taking one for the team" remark, depending on who the team is. If the team is Wilder and the rest of the guy world, well, then, hang 'im high. If the team is Wilder and Lucy, that changes things.

You do stuff for the people in your life, and yes, sometimes you have sex with them even when you just would rather roll over and cuddle a pillow. (Most woman understand what "fake it till you make it" means.) And sometimes they listen to you describe a playdate between two 4 year olds in excruciating detail, or the shoes you DIDN'T buy, or a work dilemma in which they understand one word in three. You do stuff for the people in your life.

 
At 12/3/06 11:59 AM, Toni said...

An eye opening post. Glad you're both in a happier place, though dark can be good too!!!

Maybe you should auction off some of your earlier scenes for charity--I bet you'd make a bundle!!!! (That is a joke BTW--I realise they will NEVER see the light of day)

 
At 12/3/06 12:28 PM, Rosie said...

Geez I LOVE this place!

 
At 12/3/06 1:08 PM, Mary Stella said...

I totally get the 'taking one for the team' mindset, although hearing it put that way would definitely compel me to make him crawl, beg and then, even though he'd done his manly duty, bash him over the head with a chair.

As for spiders -- Nah. We are women, here us roar and kill our own spiders. Of course, I'm talking brave because I had to beat a scorpion to death with a dust pan earlier this week. Shrieked while doing so, but still accomplished the mission.

I've also successfully dueled an evil land crab with a pooper scooper.

 
At 12/3/06 7:14 PM, DownUnderGal said...

I have a question. When a guy "takes one for the team" is it entirely necessary to sleep with the less attractive friend? Couldn't he just talk to her and be nice for a few hours whilst friend is bonking attractive woman? Maybe buy her a drink or two? I mean, if he's prepared to swap body fluids with her surely thinking of a way that's not going to screw with her head cant be that difficult?
I know, I know...men are from Mars etc etc.

 
At 12/3/06 8:08 PM, talpianna said...

Mary Stella--a scorpion AND a land crab? With housewares???

Come over and be measured for your tights and cape!

BTW--complete change of subject: as I write this, I'm watching 60 MINUTES and just heard the trailer for a segment on human sexuality, and the expert claims that the more older brothers a man has, the more likely he is to be gay. And I've also noticed that quite a few romantic-suspense heroines--the best sort, IMHO--have several older sisters.

Any comments?

 
At 12/3/06 10:43 PM, Anonymous said...

I loved this bit - both about the evolution of the tone of the story and the how to write about sex when you're squicked out parts. I even called people to read it to them when I knew they wouldn't check the link, it was so fun to read. I'll have to figure out the NY times bookstore near Boston and buy a copy of DLD for myself and everyone else who needs to read it. I'm so looking forward to it.

-E

 
At 13/3/06 12:54 AM, junebug indeed said...

Now you've got me extremely curious as to just what is in those darker sex scenes. I agree with downundergal, you should definately post those scenes somewhere.

 
At 14/3/06 7:38 AM, Nancy J said...

Dear Downundergal,
Since the less attractive friend has probably been pried out of her fuzzy slippers and away from a good book in order to be a prop for her more attractive friend don’t you think that she should at least get a little something for her trouble?

 
At 15/3/06 6:58 AM, DownUnderGal said...

Yes nancyj, she should. I've played this role too often myself and if I'm going to be pried away from a good book ala DLD then I want it to be more than a pity fuck. It'd better be lurve ;-)

Sorry - not sure if it's only the divine Ms JC whose allowed to say the "f" word - apologies in advance.

 
At 15/3/06 7:34 AM, Nancy J said...

Oh Ye of high standards! LOL!

 

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