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Friday, April 07, 2006

SHE WROTE: Beer & Chocolate: The DLD Reading Guide

We started the New England conference today, and it's going beautifully, so well run (and special thanks to Cathryn Perry for being an amazing conference chair), and tomorrow we have to give the keynote at 7:30 AM (I know, what were they thinking?) so I'm crashing now. But in the interests of more serious thoughts, below is the Don't Look Down Reader's Guide, designed for co-ed book clubs.

(And yes, I'm still crawling on my belly like a reptile after my flame-out yesterday. We were sitting at the banquet table tonight listening to the speaker, and I had to go to the bathroom so bad my eyeballs were floating, and Bob said, "What's wrong?" and I said, "Drank too much water. Bathroom," so he picked up his water glass and slurped it loudly. And I didn't throttle him.

But that's ONE.)

And now the reading list (and for Randy: SPOILER ALERT):

Beer, Chocolate and Don’t Look Down:
or
The Don’t Look Down Reading Group Study Guide
Something Else For Men and Women To Argue About
By Bob Mayer and Jennifer Crusie.
Or Jennifer Crusie and Bob Mayer.
(Actually Jenny doesn’t care whose name goes first. Must be a guy thing.)

About the Book:
Don’t Look Down is the story of two strong people--Lucy Armstrong, a film director, and J.T. Wilder, a Green Beret—who are forced to work together when somebody begins to take “shooting a movie” too literally. It was written by two stubborn people--Jenny Crusie who wrote the scenes in Lucy’s point of view and Bob Mayer who wrote Wilder’s scenes—who teamed up to create a romantic adventure that reflects both Crusie’s background writing romantic comedy and Mayer’s background writing military thrillers. This study guide focuses on some of the discussions they had while writing the book.

Remember, there are no right or wrong answers, just opinions. These are fictional characters we’re discussing, so feel free to speculate.* Preferably aloud, in complete sentences.** And be nice, no eye rolling.

1. As the book opens, Lucy Armstrong is on the Eugene Talmadge Memorial Bridge when a black helicopter appears on the horizon. She thinks, “That can’t be good,” but inside the helicopter is J.T. Wilder. What does the helicopter symbolize? What does the bridge symbolize? Do they symbolize different things to women than they do to men? Do men even think in symbols or do they just want to talk about how big the guns are?

2. Tyler thinks that money will get him any woman he wants. Althea thinks that beauty and impressive breasts will get her any man she wants. Connor Nash does get almost every woman he wants. What makes these people desirable, even though they’re not shining examples of humanity?

3. What, if anything, is wrong with Wilder thinking he’s ‘taking one for the team’ when he encounters Althea naked in his bed? Under what circumstances is it appropriate to “take one for the team”? And what the hell does “take one for the team” mean, anyway?

4. Why does Wilder think about telling Lucy to stay behind when Pepper's in the swamp? And why doesn’t he? Why does Lucy let Wilder tell her what to do in the swamp?

5. Why does LaFavre buy Ginnie new breasts when she treats him like garbage ? Why does Ginnie treat him like garbage when he’s cute and has money?

6. Stephanie and Karen clash over Nash. Wilder and Nash square off over Lucy. This possessive/jealousy thing, is it different for men and women?

7. Why does Lucy get mad when she finds out Wilder’s been married twice? Why does Wilder apologize even though he has no idea why she’s mad? Would Wilder’s apology work in real life? And why does Bob still not understand why she’s mad?

8. In the beginning chapters of Don’t Look Down, everybody assumes Moot is male. Then they see her eggs and realize that, as Tyler puts it, “Moot’s a chick.” How did that change your perception of the gator, cold-blooded reptile though she was?

9. The situation on the bridge reminds Wilder of High Noon. Why is Will Kane such an iconic hero, and what is it in particular that Wilder responds to in his character? What does it mean that Lucy’s the only person in the book who hasn’t seen High Noon? What does it mean that Jenny still hasn’t seen High Noon? In spite of that, how does Don’t Look Down pay homage to High Noon?

10. If Wilder has Will Kane, Lucy has Wonder Woman and her Golden Lasso. The Golden Lasso is a symbol of Wonder Woman’s power but it’s also often used against her. How does Don’t Look Down co-opt the Wonder Woman legend? How does Lucy’s power work against her at times? And how about that rope?

11. Clothes are important symbols in Don’t Look Down. What does it mean that Wilder wears body armor, that Lucy wears red cowboy boots, that Pepper won’t take off her WonderWear? And why does Bob still think it doesn’t matter what they’re wearing?

12. In the first draft of Don’t Look Down, Wilder never said, “I love you” to Lucy because Bob said four days was too soon for an emotional commitment. After being booed by a bunch of romance writers, he rewrote the scene in which the helicopter is coming in to drop off Wilder and Lucy, each of them on skids on opposite sides of the chopper, so that Wilder yelled "I love you!" across LaFavre in the middle, who made jokes. At that point, Jenny took it away from him and had Wilder say it later, at a place Bob approved of (right after Wilder laments his missing night vision goggles). Was it realistic for Wilder to say it there? Why or why not? And what is it with guys and commitment anyway? And why do women have to hear it? Don’t actions speak louder than words?

13. One of the central themes of Don’t Look Down is the human need for community. How have both Lucy and Wilder formed communities in the past? What community do they form together, and what sacrifices do they have to make to keep that community safe? Is it worth it? Why is it easier to make a commitment to a community/team/book group than to a lover?

14. At the beginning of the book, both Lucy and Wilder make assumptions about the opposite sex based on their previous experiences. How do those assumptions change by the end? Why do they change? How are those changes embodied in the final scenes? Is it believable that those changes happen in four days?

15. Don’t Look Down is about trust and power, in particular about trusting someone enough to give up power to him or her, both physically and emotionally. How do Lucy and Wilder negotiate both kinds of power issues? Is their relationship at the end one of equals sharing power?

16. Writing Don’t Look Down was about trust and power. Can you tell there were two authors in the text? Does having two genders share the storytelling balance the story or does it still seem predominantly male or female? What differences in this story did you find that might stem from having both a male and a female author? How many huge screaming (ALL CAPS IN E-MAIL) fights do you think Bob and Jenny had writing Don’t Look Down?

17. When Bob and Jenny combined genres, they ended up with a hybrid that’s a little bit hot romantic comedy, a little bit violent military thriller, leading some people to wonder if the book is “action-packed passion” as one reviewer described it, or “passion-packed action” as a blogger suggested. Bob and Jenny are calling the hybrid genre “romantic adventure.” How would you describe it?

*If you agree with Bob, you’re right. Just don’t say it out loud around a woman.

** Oh, PLEASE. There aren’t any right or wrong answers, these are discussion questions. They’re just here so we can talk and honestly share our feelings . . . Bob? BOB?

37 Comments:

At 7/4/06 10:50 PM, heather said...

10. And how about that rope?

The rope shows that a little bit of bondage between friends can be fun.

Or amongst friends. Depends on how much liquor is involved.

And what is the answer to the last question of 16? My guess: 162.

 
At 7/4/06 11:03 PM, glamour-geek said...

11. As a former costume designer and semiotician, I have to comment on this. I'm probably preaching to the choir.

Clothes tell you rapidly and effectively what the character's social and economic status are, as well as the way the character thinks about his or herself. I have heard men say "Oh, I don't care about clothes. I just wear whatever." But imagine for a moment buying that man, who wears jeans and white or black t-shirts, an argyle sweater in olive and dark purple. Do you think that sweater is EVER going to find its way out of the rear corner of the bottom drawer where it's been thrown?

I knew I had mastered the art of costume when I did the design for a stage production set in 1910. The main character starts as the housekeeper for her sister's family, dressing in hand-me-downs. End of Act 1, she leaves to marry and goes to the city. For her return at the beginning of act 2, I put her in what would have been the height of fashion. There was an audible gasp in the theatre when she walked on stage. Because EVERYONE KNEW there had been a major personal transformation and they were about to find out what that had been in the second act. Because her clothes told you so.

Sorry. Really, I don't teach anymore. Or publish articles about clothes and semiotic anymore. Or do costume design. I'll back quietly off the soapbox now.

 
At 7/4/06 11:12 PM, Anonymous said...

7:30?!? A.M?!?!
Sufferin' Sappho.

 
At 7/4/06 11:41 PM, Shoshana said...

Haven't you two heard that the answer to everything is 42?
Glad I could sort that out. :)

 
At 7/4/06 11:49 PM, Lynn said...

Dropped by to mention you may need that chain saw when you get home, nasty weather moving through the southern and mid section of the Buckeye state. Gee, I didn't know there was going to be a quiz!

#3 OK, what's right with taking one for the team? Can't begin to discuss this rationally ;-).

#3 An aside. I was watching a CMT insider show on Toby Keith tonight and one of the 'bus songs' on his new album discusses the whole concept of a guy taking one for a team. Sigh. Refer to #3 above.

#7 He apologizes because he's not stupid. Bob will get it eventually because he's (a)surrounded by smart women who will explain it over and over and (b) he really seems quite educable.

#8 The cherry bombs had the inside scoop on Moot. We knew she had good taste and an eclectic wardrobe.

#9 GASP, I never saw High Noon. Sorry. It happens.

#11 Red is a power color. It's a confidence thing; look at red lipstick, red suit, red shoes and red nail polish as women armor. Pepper's only five, but she is looking for some kind of control over her own life, hence the wonderwear (which was hysterical). I have faith Bob will "get" that it matters what they wear. You'll know it when he starts discussing what style jeans his guy wears next book (especially hoping they don't set off sensors in a mall). Why the faith? See response to #7.

#16 Sometimes I thought I could tell it was two authors and others it was so flawless you couldn't. I know that probably makes little sense, but there you are. I did find myself trying to figure it out, but decided I didn't care and just enjoyed the book.

#16 Yell all you want, it keeps your head from exploding.

People always claim there are no right or wrong answers. I'm not buying that one. Pull the other leg.

Good grief, you have to be awake and coherent at 7:30 am? That's just WRONG.

 
At 8/4/06 12:01 AM, Minneapolis Cherry Bomb said...

I can't comment on the guide as I was afraid to read it lest I blow any suprises as I JUST GOT THE BOOK. Woo Hoo. Seriously - I called every BN and Borders within a reasonable area in Metro Minneapolis, and apparantly there was a shipping snafu - they didn't have it until this afternoon. Maybe you should sick Needles on them. Or Meg, but give her a mob name first. Must read now.

 
At 8/4/06 12:02 AM, inkgrrl said...

7:30. Poor baby. That's what I'd call taking one for the team.

C'mon Bob, tell us how you feel about it.

 
At 8/4/06 12:05 AM, Mary (no, the other Mary) said...

This is apropos of nothing, except that it reminded me of the dichotomy between men and women when it comes to romance -- did you check out the 2005 Bulwer-Lytton contest winner? (Winner of the worst sentence ever composed of a novel never written)

As he stared at her ample bosom, he daydreamed of the dual Stromberg carburetors in his vintage Triumph Spitfire, highly functional yet pleasingly formed, perched prominently on top of the intake manifold, aching for experienced hands, the small knurled caps of the oil dampeners begging to be inspected and adjusted as described in chapter seven of the shop manual.
(from Dan McKay)

 
At 8/4/06 12:06 AM, marcia in ok said...

Oh jeez!

Directed discussions - this cherrybomb will have to ponder a bit - like sleep on it and try in the am.

But, Jenny and Bob get at least 10 Moot points each for that presentation at 7:30 am.

#9 - Count me in the never seen High Noon group.

Is this a timed discussion? And, has the Blog server fixed? I'm betting we'll reach a record with the number of responses to this blog. Crash potential here. I'm off to reread some DLD to collect my thoughts or honest discussion tomorrow.

Good Luck Jenny and Bob - have a great conference.

 
At 8/4/06 12:20 AM, DownUnderGal said...

OMG - so many questions, so little time.
Just wanted to pop in and say that I read DLD on my 7 hour car trip and only had 16 pages left at the end. I refused to get out of the car until I'd finished. I read by torchlight for the last 5 hours. It was amazing. Sometimes you can get your expectations up so high there's no way they're ever going to be satisfied but DLD fulfilled them and then some!!!
A snippet of the monosyllabic conversation in the car.
"Mum, can we play eye spy?"
"Nup. Reading."
Half an hour later. "What about shopping list?"
"Nup. Reading."
"Can I go to the toilet."
"Nup. Reading."
"Do you want to see my report card?"
"Nup. Reading."
"It's really good."
Turning to the back and fixing them with a you-can-walk-the-rest- of-the-way stare, "I said I was READING!"

So not only was I pleased to finally finish the book becuase it was sooooooo good but the kids are happy to have their mother back.

I'm now reading it again to slowly savour it and obviously study it much more in depth to answer the unexpected pop quiz. The children are not pleased....

 
At 8/4/06 12:27 AM, glamour-geek said...

BTW, Bob is faking about not getting the clothing thing. If he really didn't get it, Hannah would not be mis-buttoning a silk dress in Bodyguard of Lies.

Your cover's blown, Bob. Ha.

 
At 8/4/06 12:37 AM, lokiwoman said...

Some people think that beer and chocolate don't go together.
Some people are wrong.

 
At 8/4/06 1:05 AM, Robena Grant said...

Ooooh, a quiz. I love quizzes. Not finished the book yet, though. Will take the quiz on Monday, honest. Have my chapter meeting this weekend and the annual board planning meeting, it's gonna be rough. Playing mother to so many people is a time consuming job. Almost as rough as doing a book tour, but not quite. Loving the book so far, off now to read for a bit.

 
At 8/4/06 2:32 AM, Anonymous said...

No wonder your brain hurts!!! I had no idea. I feel like I need to say another heart felt THANK YOU for writing in the first place.
As for 7:30 am? That's nothing! I have to have breakfast with my mother.

lbooth

 
At 8/4/06 3:33 AM, DownUnderGal said...

Glamour girl geek I think 'mis-buttoning' is the key word there. Bob is only a man afterall and while most don't tend to get the clothes thing nearly all tend to pay more attention when there's the remotest chance they could see a bit of naked female flesh ;-)

 
At 8/4/06 4:52 AM, randy said...

Geez. Couldn't you have called this post "Spoil Alert"????

Moot's a GIRL???

By the way...back to Bob putting in one contact lens...is that why Moot is a one-eyed reptile (as I recall--not sure SINCE I HAVEN'T READ THE BOOK YET)?

 
At 8/4/06 7:21 AM, Laura V said...

"And why does Bob still think it doesn’t matter what they’re wearing?"

Does Bob think that army uniforms don't matter? That wearing a Green Beret isn't any different from wearing any other colour of beret? After all, if clothes don't really matter, who cares what colour the beret is? Thing is, clothes have associations and meanings - the beret means something, it shows membership of a particular group and is associated with the values of that group, it's not just a beret. WonderWear and red cowboy boots also have associations and also say important things about the wearer.

 
At 8/4/06 7:54 AM, deborah said...

Found "Wonderwear" online. Too cool! I'm buying a pair and re-reading the book while I wear it. Then I'll take the quiz. The new wardrobe will give me power!

 
At 8/4/06 8:05 AM, Anonymous said...

Has anyone considered what might happen if Bob did get the 'clothes symbolism'? Can you see Bob gasping at the sight of someone mixing their browns and blacks? IN PUBLIC?

lbooth

 
At 8/4/06 8:23 AM, Anonymous said...

Actually, the whole army wears berets now, so the symbolism of that particular piece of clothing has been a bit diluted. This because Gen. Shinsecki decided not to allow the army to carry umbrellas because he might be known as the "umbrella general" and then decided it would be cool if the whole army got to wear kicky little berets ...

 
At 8/4/06 9:36 AM, Christina B. said...

Well darn it. See I was just reading it for entertainment ... I didn't know we were supposed to disect the book afterwards. Now I'll just have to read it again ... *sigh* what I do for you guys.

And yeah the clothes matter. What you wear says how you think about yourself, not just the image you want to project but also your level of confidence and awareness of the world around you.

See Bob. Its more complicated than you think.

 
At 8/4/06 10:01 AM, expert bookworm said...

I'm soooo glad to know I'm not the only one whose never seen High Noon. By the end of the book I was so curious I've rented the DVD to watch tonight. Jenny, have you thought of creating soundtracks to sell with your books? Music always plays such a key role in your stories and it would add to the whole experience to be able to listen to the songs you mention while reading the book.

Deborah- WonderWear is real?!? Now I'm going to buy some too.

 
At 8/4/06 10:41 AM, Anonymous said...

Funny. I am making an iMix on iTunes based on the collected works of Jenny -- calling it "Crusie, Bluesie and Bob". The spreadsheet of music is done, and now I need to set it up on iTunes. Sadly, it looks like Kirsty Maccoll is not represented on iTunes ye, so that will be a significant gap. Regardless, I plan to have it posted tomorrow!

 
At 8/4/06 10:48 AM, Brandy said...

Love the idea of a guide. Feels like HS. Wait, I hated HS, need a new synonym. As for Lucy's red boots, red is a power color, it makes a woman feel bold and courageous. Bob needs to go people watch at the mall a little. Also, raising my hand in the never seen "HIGH NOON' front. Western, right?

 
At 8/4/06 12:41 PM, Lynn said...

Thank heavens, I was sure I was the only one who hadn't seen "High Noon" and was immediately abashed after admitting it out loud to all asunder on the blog. I knew it was a western and probably had John Wayne or Gary Cooper in the lead role with lots of horses, trains (coming in at noon), dust, meaningful discussions on gun size (a whole different conversation), bad guys, and shooting.

Grace Kelly in a western? You caught me, I looked it up.

High Noon - Filmsite.org
High Noon - Wikipedia

 
At 8/4/06 1:06 PM, TANYA MICHAELS said...

Not so much answers as reactions--

#7 Guys apologize even when they have No Idea where they've erred because even the most clueless among them generally have self-preservation instincts. But no, empty apologies rarely work. (Although, in my more generous moods, I at least give my husband points for trying.) Bob may never understand why Lucy was annoyed, but that's okay. We like that Bob is such a guy because he wrote a great Guy hero--I loved Wilder, imperfections and all, although, thank you for sparing us further details in that hotel "taking it for the team" scene. (Which, don't even get me started.)

9/10 Loved how they each had their own themes and icons that lent not only humor (great Wonder Wear party!) but resonance to the story.

#12 Okay, call me a diehard romantic, but I was so glad he said it and thought it worked well in the scene. Still, despite my love of words, it's actions that are important and giving her the coin kicked ass.

And finally, because thinking too much after being up all night reading makes my head hurt, it really did read like one very talented author with a better than usual mastery of distinct points of view. The separate POVs and genders were more believable than in most books, but the voice and narrative flowed unbelievably well. I'm already looking forward to Agnes!

I'll bet the 7:30 keynote was terrific, but thanks for doing the Blog so that those of us who can't attend all these events can be in on the fun. The Bob and Jenny Show has a lot in common with some of my other favorites, like Buffy and Veronica Mars. Witty, entertaining, unpredictable...and always with the unsettling knowledge that Someone Might Get Killed. (At least if Bob's paranoid take on St. Martin's hit women is to be believed *g*)

 
At 8/4/06 1:23 PM, zeldaz said...

I looked at the New England conference schedule and saw that another one of my favorite authors will be there, signing books--Loretta Chase.

I am spending too much time reading/thinking about the Crusie-Mayer blog.

 
At 8/4/06 3:15 PM, Christina B said...

#12 ... And why do women have to hear it? Don’t actions speak louder than words?

I think Jenny said it perfectly earlier in the blog ... and pardon my laziness for not going back and getting the exact quote. But it was something like "he's a Green Beret, he's supposed to save her life"

Its the flip side of walking the walk. He'd do that anyhow 'cause he's the good guy. But saying those 3 words, talking the talk, for a good guy, is a commitment. And anyhow if he feels that way, why can't he say so? WOMEN AREN'T MIND READERS.

 
At 8/4/06 6:22 PM, Teresa said...

Heh - I didn't read any of the post after the Spoiler alert *grin*. It was wonderful to meet both of you at the book signing today. I'm so glad I was able to make it - and I'm very much looking forward to reading the book. Looks fabulous!

 
At 8/4/06 6:23 PM, mq, cb said...

This bleedin' Blogger has eaten my comment again, not that I can comment because as I don't yet have the Book (Amazon UK, are you listening?) it's all spoiler-spoiler-spoiler. They take your money and then they stomp all over you in spike heels, probably bought with your money. Bastards.

Woe is me for I am Book-less.

Cheer me up, Bob. Post the skirt picture.

 
At 8/4/06 7:28 PM, Christina B (Margarita Cherry) said...

Anonymous said...
Funny. I am making an iMix on iTunes based on the collected works of Jenny -- calling it "Crusie, Bluesie and Bob".


I love it! Be sure I'll be looking for it. I gotta admit I get a yen to listen to Dusty when I'm reading Jenny. In fact I was rereading a backlist today and just had to add title to my iTunes. The song is Rhiannon by Fleetwood Mac.

How about it Cherrybombs? No peeking now. Can you Name That Book Title

 
At 8/4/06 7:57 PM, glamour-geek said...

christina b: oh hell, he does everyone to the Mac... ;)

 
At 8/4/06 8:46 PM, Nancy J said...

I didn't know there was gonna be a test!

Of course Bob knows clothes are important. Wilder/Bob took detailed interest in Althea's outfits.

 
At 8/4/06 9:23 PM, TANYA MICHAELS said...

christina b, that one's crazy for you, right? First Crusie book I read, and I was definitely hooked enough to track down the backlist and keep buying the new ones. I think I actually have three copies of Getting Rid of Bradley (well meaning Christmas presents).

Tanya

 
At 9/4/06 4:07 AM, talpianna said...

How much will our test scores count towards the final grade?

 
At 9/4/06 11:02 AM, Mary Stella said...

Just yesterday I heard part of an interview with country star Toby Keith -- whose music I usually love. He has a song on his new album called "Running Block" about guys running interference for a buddy on a double date. The idea is that the singer runs block by distracting his buddy's girlfriend's sister. In the song, the sister is overweight. Toby, in the interview, described this as "taking one for the team." His whole attitude was that facts are facts and this is reality.
Pissed me off... even it it's true from the man's perspective, it's still a lousy thing to say.

 
At 10/4/06 12:55 PM, Lily said...

Oh, God, I'm sorry, you've even managed to make reading guidelines entertaining, but I'm having flashbacks to high school English classes, which I HATED.

 

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