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Sunday, July 23, 2006

HE WROTE: Pitching

So I was thinking about pitching. And realized, hell, I’m going to be talking to my agent at National about CHASING THE DEAD, my latest, 112,000 word opus, that’s been in development for over ten years. And I didn’t really have a pitch. So how the hell was I was going to give you words of wisdom about pitching if I wasn’t ready to do it?

So I’m sitting here and putting together my pitch.
First thing is to capture the essence of what kind of book is it? The last book I gave my agent was science fiction, not really her field, but it was going to a specific editor who had handled previous books like it, so that wasn’t that big a problem. Although the book did end up getting rejected, so maybe you shouldn’t listen to me. But Chasing is a brand new book that’s hopefully going to be my first Mayer book, so different ball game. I need to figure out what genre and type of book it is right away so she can put it in a framework.

Which is a problem—yet, every problem is an opportunity. Because CTD appears at first glance to be both a thriller and a mystery. Argghhhh. When I teach, I tell people that thrillers and mysteries are very opposite books. In a mystery the bad thing happens in the beginning and the protagonist has to figure who and why. In a thriller the bad thing is going to happen and the protagonist has to stop it from happening. So how can I possibly have a book that is both?

Well, the first scene is my protagonist in a thriller situation facing down bad guys. And he fails. So we know they’re up to something, but we don’t know what—a thriller. The second scene is my protagonist discovering a body and having to find who killed her—a mystery. Throughout the book, both story-lines seem un-related other than my protagonist, who actually does wear two hats, being involved in both. Yet at the end, we find out one event initiated the other event. Because the mystery being solved is not the climactic scene—that occurs 150 pages before the end of the book. Thus, issue solved, the book is a thriller. See how you can solve your problems if you WRITE them out?

Ok. So I have a thriller, which is good, because I am not a mystery writer. Whew.

So. I need a log line: Horace Chase has been chasing the dead his entire life.
Which is true both literally and figuratively.

All right, so I’ve got a start.

Now I’ve got an advantage because I already have an agent. I’m not doing a blind, appointment. I already have been published so I have some sort of track record, both good and bad. If I was going blindly to an agent, what I would be trying to do is to communicate what is unique and exciting about my book to the agent. Every agent I’ve had—and I’ve had four—has said essentially the same thing although my current one put it in a way that makes sense: she said you can have a character idea or a situational idea. A character idea focuses on, duh, character. A situational one, focuses on plot. I used to be very much a situational writer. Thus I would pitch plot. I would try to have both. An interesting character involved in a very unique situation. There has got to be something that stands out, that catches the interest. Look at readers in a bookstore perusing the racks. They pick up a book, they look at the cover copy. They don’t know your name (most buy off author name, but you’re a new author). What is it in that cover copy that will cause them to want to buy the book?

Then there are the books that are hard to pitch. I don’t think Jenny and I could pitch DON’T LOOK DOWN or even AGNES. It’s the writing that draws people in. But in that case there’s writing a short synopsis that an example of the writing, that’s funny and witty and makes someone laugh out loud and go, hey, I want to see more of this. I was looking at a bunch of letters for a scholarship and one of them made me laugh so much because the author had done something that normally I would highly recommend against, but it worked this time: she had her heroine ‘write’ the letter recommending the author for the scholarship. But this was that one of a hundred times where it worked and it was funny.

Which brings me to the point of taking chances. I think you have to. I already know CHASING THE DEAD breaks some ‘rules’ of writing. Some of which I’m going to have rewrite and fix, but some of which I think are good. You can’t be like everyone else. Your ‘pitch’ can’t be like everyone else’s. So if I gave you a formula for it, you’d be like everyone else reading this blog and it would be boring and generic.

So I’ve been of little help other than to say relax, have confidence in yourself, and remember the person you’re talking to is just a person trying to do their job.

75 Comments:

At 23/7/06 10:03 AM, Anonymous said...

Capturing the kind of book it is (as far as marketing goes) is the hardest for me because my books always had everything but the kitchen sink in them.

I learned to be more specific and to stay on track after your retreat, Bob. So I wrote a new book using all of the advice you gave. So, between you, Jenny, and Donald Maas I better get it right this time. (grin)

For the first time ever, I know what my book is and I have it all typed up on one tiny index card. I'm so proud of myself.

Now I just have to memorize it, I've practiced telling it to the dog but she just cocks her head and asks, "Cookies? Walk? Drive in the car?"

Speaking of which I better take her walking its 7am and we're in for another scorcher here today. Hope to run into you somewhere at National, if not will try to take your workshop although I know how popular they are. It'll be standing room only by the time I get there cause I'm always running late. (grin)

But I do want another DLD to take to Aust. because Mum wants one. So I'll come by the book signing and say hi to you and Jenny.
rg

 
At 23/7/06 10:22 AM, Jen-t said...

Holy crap, Bob, you make it sound so simple. I guess when you break it down, it is simple. Thanks, you are quiet insightful.

 
At 23/7/06 10:50 AM, Anonymous said...

Wow when you go on vacation you miss a lot..*goes back and reads the other posts*

liz

 
At 23/7/06 10:53 AM, Shoshana said...

Huh. I'm not a writer so the pitching, while interesting, isn't very useful for me.
But I LOVE your synopsis of the difference between a thriller and a mystery.
Can I quote you on it? It'll make life much easier for me. (I read a lot and when people recommend something I want to know what genre it's in. Then I get stumped when they ask me to explain the differences between them.)

 
At 23/7/06 11:04 AM, Mary said...

Bob,
I really appreciate the way you write about your successes and your rejections. No matter which fate is in store for the current book, you're already up and preparing for the next book. I don't think I could relate to an author who instantly published every book their dainty fingers typed.

 
At 23/7/06 11:21 AM, Jen-t said...

Mary wrote: "I don't think I could relate to an author who instantly published every book their dainty fingers typed."

Yeah, me neither. But I think Bob said somewhere that he has sold every book he has "marketed". At something like 30 books, he's pretty damn amazing in my humble opinion. What I like the most, besides his writing and his great teachings and the he was so damn smart to team up with Jenny, who bravely took him on (bad sentance), is that he seems to take life as it comes. Now I'm analyzing Bob. But, his rejection is what it is, and he must trudge forward. So, that kind of determination, self understanding and whatever else is in there, you just have to admire.

Of course I admire Jenny even more for putting up with him and taking him on as a writing partner. He might be GAM, but he's still, well a guy. Our egg, but a guy non-the-less.

Yeah, I know. I'm odd. I get it.

 
At 23/7/06 11:24 AM, Mary said...

Jen-T,

I don't see anything odd in what you wrote. Makes perfect sense to me! (It's not Bob's fault he's a guy ;)

 
At 23/7/06 12:07 PM, Mary said...

Bob? That was an attempt at humor. (A feeble attempt, okay.) We like you just as you are, honest.

 
At 23/7/06 12:20 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

I guess I'm in big trouble and it's a good thing I'm not pitching at National. Reading this post, the excellent description of mystery v. thriller (isn't it amazing how he does that, makes it look so easy), I realize the book I'm currently trying to wrestle to the ground is both. But it's also romantic suspense. I've been told that whichever is the last thread to be resolved, the romance or the suspense, is the way the story should be categorized. So now I realize I'm writing a mystery romance thriller suspense. With a really great conspiracy theory. Cause you know me, I love a good one of those. And I decided a long time ago that if I'm going to write a book, it's going to be one that I'd want to read.

Oh well, at least now I know what to call it if anyone asks: MRTS+C. Hey Bob, why don't you throw a little paranoia and YEC into CTD and you and I can start a new genre. You go first. No, really, I insist. Let me know how that pitch goes and I'll get back to work right after I get home from Atlanta.

But first, I've decided to paint my nails after all. MJP has told us black goes with everything New York-ish, and I'm so relieved to hear the goth look is still popular. Now I don't even have to remove all those piercings.

Which reminds me: The most stunning thing I read in this post, the one image that just stuck in my mind: "I was looking at a bunch of letters for a scholarship and one of them made me laugh so much ..." Didn't that just hit you all like a ray of sunshine coming through a cloud bank?

bw

 
At 23/7/06 12:34 PM, Louis said...

Bob,

What you have written could be applied to almost any "sales" effort.

Know your product!

And you certainly do!

liymf green

look into yourself my friend

 
At 23/7/06 12:36 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

Bob how can you say you couldn't pitch DLD or Agnes? Isn't that what you do when you post excerpts on the blog? You hook us all like catfish. Easy as pie. We want to buy Agnes already and we have only had part of the first chapter. Any published should want it. Pitch away.

I don't do pitches. I haven't got anything to pitch. I don't think I could sell two partly finished MS. I will be in the bar with mcb drinking "Siberian Dutchmen" while everyone else is pitching. Good luck to those who are, in Atlanta and NJ.

blue znbjcy

Zesty notices Bob 4 Jennifer Crusie yex.

 
At 23/7/06 12:53 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

FYI (no offence Bob)Jenny posted on Argh Ink.

uyapm green

Unfortunately yex attracts pessimistic men. (Tom the old coot).

 
At 23/7/06 1:18 PM, Diane said...

This is a very useful post - and not just for "pitching" or, as Louis points out, sales in general. Conversations, even, go better if people have worked out WHAT their point is, rather than dancing around it, or giving so much detail that the auditor nods off.

Most of us have developed a single sentence description of our jobs to use in casual conversation - but it often took a few years. If only we knew everything that would come up, so we could work out our concise, interesting responses - we might be as witty as people in books!

Oh, and Jenny posted on Well-Behaved, too. Apologies if this was mentioned on an earlier post.

adezmvh: Anathemas delivered early, Zeus moodily veered homeward

 
At 23/7/06 1:58 PM, Cbell said...

Well put Bob. Have you ever considered being an agent yourself?

 
At 23/7/06 2:16 PM, Mary said...

Scope Dope spake thusly:
I will be in the bar with mcb drinking "Siberian Dutchmen" while everyone else is pitching.

{sniff, sniff} Geez, a girl criticizes your taste in music and carpets and you refuse to share room at the bar? And I'd heard it was an air-conditioned bar, too.

{sniff, pout, sniff}

zfijhi zee fiends ignore hi

 
At 23/7/06 2:18 PM, Patrice said...

Hmm, Siberian Dutchmen. I don't know what's in that drink, but it would lure me from my room to find out if I were at the conference.

The word 'pitching' has developed a charged connotation for me. Anybody have some new metaphors?

 
At 23/7/06 2:29 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

patrice wrote: I don't know what's in that drink, but it would lure me from my room to find out if I were at the conference.

OMG. I want whatever she's drinking if she needs to leave her room to find out whether she's at a conference. [big grin]

Thank you so much, I needed that laugh right now.

bw

 
At 23/7/06 2:36 PM, Mary said...

BCB, thank you. That made me chuckle.

inctvu - ancient Latin inscription, loosely translates as "in the sea, there is your television"

 
At 23/7/06 2:39 PM, glamour-geek said...

Mary's been having the best verifications lately.

xuacx: an Aztec ritual at which participants bemoaned the heatwave and pleaded with the gods for slightly cooler temperatures, at least overnight.

 
At 23/7/06 2:49 PM, Diane said...

BCB and Mary -both of you made me laugh out loud.

Patrice: I've forgotten who posted the recipe originally, but most of us agreed it sounded fabulous: 1 shot Vandermint® chocolate mint liqueur
1 shot vodka
1 shot Kahlua® coffee liqueur
1 splash cream
1 glass coffee

Except Vandermint is not, apparently, universally available, but I'm sure any good bartender could fake it.

I wonder what it would take to make the blog searchable, so we could find out who said what? I never have the ambition to go back and look, so, my apologies to original commenters!

Glamour-Geek: and you know about this ritual because you have been investigating ameliorative methods for your own misery? Just so it doesn't involve human sacrifice - that's not your job, here, and OH might be cross if her perqs are taken over in her absence...

cmjyaqq: Camelopards muse jauntily, yeti act quite quizzically.

 
At 23/7/06 3:20 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

cologne girl posted the recipe. I mentioned the Vandermint which is a chocolate mint liquer made in Holland. I don't know that a bartender could fake it. I plan to bring a bottle to NJ. I can get it here or at least I could when last I was in a liquor store which was about one year ago. DH goes more often I will get him to check. I don't know if I can still get it at the duty free shop. They used to have it too.

Atlanta is a cosmopolitan city, maybe they have it, girls. Check it out when you aren't busy. What, at 3 a.m. you say? That's when you aren't busy? Oh well.

Since this is a virtual PPparty we are having there we will not run out of Siberian Dutchmen or any other men you ladies might require. Rob Roy might be there too if there is plenty of Scotch. /.D

red jsnyacvm

Jenny says no yex after certain victimizations, Mayer.

 
At 23/7/06 3:23 PM, glamour-geek said...

diane sez: Glamour-Geek: and you know about this ritual because you have been investigating ameliorative methods for your own misery? Just so it doesn't involve human sacrifice - that's not your job, here, and OH might be cross if her perqs are taken over in her absence...

No, no human sacrifices. Not my thing. Though I did provide a blood sacrifice yesterday (see story about cut finger).

 
At 23/7/06 3:46 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

Bryan did a stint as a bartender. If we didn't scare him away you could maybe coerce, um, convince, no... well, ask him nicely and maybe he'll take over that duty.

And where is OH? She made a brief appearance, I assume between Santa Cruz and the place with no amenities, but haven't heard from her since. Geez, she's young and healthy, she shouldn't need to rest up after a little trip like that. Front and center, girl. I want a report before I leave town.

bw

 
At 23/7/06 4:16 PM, Jen-t said...

Yes I miss OH, where is she. If anyone scared Bryan away, it was probably me, i'm kind of scary, or so I'm told. Actually, bitchy is the key phrase. Bryan, come back, I promise to play nice, maybe.

 
At 23/7/06 4:45 PM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

SDCB: Make sure somebody brings the recipe along with the liquer. We are going to have so much fun, him and her will probably disown us. Somebody make sure to get Bob a beer and put an umbrella in something for Jenny.

Since this is a virtual PPparty we are having there we will not run out of Siberian Dutchmen or any other men you ladies might require.

Woo and 2 hoos. I'm bringing Roarke and Davy Dempsey.

OH did say she would be away for a while. I think she musta hijacked

somebody else's wifi connection when she popped in before. But yeah she should be back soon.

dqjuzhel: a drunken version of "ack! just hell!"

 
At 23/7/06 4:48 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

MCB: I'm bringing Roarke and Davy Dempsey.

That's it. I'm staying.

bw

 
At 23/7/06 5:16 PM, Mary said...

I know that the Santa Cruz Slug freshmen/women had orientation last week. Maybe OH is still on the Santa Cruz boardwalk or learning to surf? Sounds like a really cool idea to me right now...

 
At 23/7/06 5:18 PM, GatorPerson said...

Miscellaneous peregrinations:
Jen-T: Spiffy website.
I think Bryan took my declension stuff seriously and thought he should note your typos. Blame it on me, not you - I'm older and tougher. (covered in 'gator skin?) BYW, mayhap he posts from work and is off today.
Louis: Admitting you allowed your daughter to paint your toenails - now that's a virile man, both to allow it and to admit it! Go, Louis!
PParty: I checked and still have, really, an avocado colored blender. Also avocado and harvest gold sheets, but we don't need those. Daiquiris and chocolate, hoohaa!
Mission statement (a paragraph, even better is a single sentence of the purpose): Bob didn't use the phrase, but it's handy and keeps one from veering off into the weeds: novel, dinner, new corporation, whatever.
Talpianna: Antarctic chef, huh? I am completely impressed, grovelling at your feet.
Agtigress: Anyone heard from her about her parents?
Scope Dope Cherry Bomb: Couldn't figure out how to get to your address.
If anyone cares: It rained here 3.7" last night. This is about 5 hours drive from Hotlanta; so they probably got a boatload, too.

lagukzm: Lazy And Gullible Umbrellas Kan't Zero Memories.

 
At 23/7/06 5:36 PM, glamour-geek said...

mary sez: Maybe OH is still on the Santa Cruz boardwalk or learning to surf? Sounds like a really cool idea to me right now...

I will note that she'd better have a wetsuit if she is. It might be 90+ here, but water temp is 57. Not bad for dipping your toes in, but not something you want to stay in for a long time.

Poor OH: hates heat and this is not a good example of what this area's weather (Sta Cruz included) is like. It should be socked in with fog til noon, briefly clear til 2, then the fog comes back.

I think it might *just* be possible that Bryan's absence is explained that it's the weekend and maybe, unlike us, he has a life. A non-cherrybomb life, that is. I don't think he scares that easily.

 
At 23/7/06 5:43 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

He mentioned a real day job as an excuse to not read the comments (very wise), but you must remember he also has a muse to appease and Gabby sounded like she'd be the type to actually expect some heavy duty word output on the weekend. Be patient.

bw

 
At 23/7/06 6:00 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

gator person my email is: sopf101@yahoo.com

bryan is most welcome at the PPparty. He doesn't need to be a bartender. Each person can mix their own drink. That way they get as much or as little as they want. Right? BYOB!!!!!!

green uviwqulg

Ultimately, verbosity is worth quite unusually large glibness.

 
At 23/7/06 6:07 PM, glamour-geek said...

OT: have to share this because it is joyful and happy-making. My bootcamp instructor pointed me to a site www.wherethehellismatt.com This guy has travelled all over the world and made a video of himself doing this little dance in each place. It's quite inspiring, all the places he's been, and just makes you happy that the world exists. It's about 3-1/2 minutes long on his front page.

I'll try doing a direct link for you.
wherethehellismatt

 
At 23/7/06 6:13 PM, ZaZa said...

So, is CTG a thriller but the mystery Chase is chasing pulls him in? Or is he already in, in his other life, but the mystery is, or appears to be secondary? Then it will turn out that the mystery is part of the thriller, the effort to stop the big bad? Like, I love it when a plot comes together?

You've got two disparate elements. If the mystery gets solved part way through the book, then the book's not a mystery. Also, since you begin the book with the thriller, you've pretty much, perhaps subconsciously, decided that's what your story is. N'est-ce pas?

So, the thriller is your primary plot, the mystery a subplot. And that's the way to pitch it, right? In a speed dating situation, you probably wouldn't even get into the mystery part, unless it has some real significance to the thriller, like motivating Chase's involvement. Even then, maybe not.

Look at your pieces. Which one's the biggest? Thriller. Which one launches the book? Thriller, again. Sounds like you have the right instincts and as you write. You just need to identify what your instincts have told you about your story. Can anyone tell I'm a pantser?

eylix (blue)
a little known aspect of the hyperlingual subculture

 
At 23/7/06 6:34 PM, Jen-t said...

gaterperson - thanks for visiting my website. Still working on a few things.

 
At 23/7/06 8:51 PM, talpianna said...

Since when can't you have both a mystery and a thriller plot? What else is the "catch the serial killer before he strikes again?" plot, a standard in mystery fiction? You not only have to figure out whodunit, you have to figure out who is in jeopardy next and how to save him/her. This usually means figuring out the killer's pattern. Ellery Queen was superb at this.

There are lots of gourmet online sites where you can probably find Vandermint liqueur.

I'm coming to the party with Owen Walker from MIDNIGHT IN RUBY BAYOU. Look for me in the corner:

http://www.taguk.plus.com/towngate/images/Moles/Hogmolenay.jpg

As for what a book needs, here's what a Hollywood mogul told his writers: "Conflict! More conflict! Say there are two brothers; one wants to be a test pilot, and the other wants to be a concert pianist--and they're Siamese twins! Now THAT'S conflict!"

AgTigress is off in Wales again, visiting her parents. She's going to be doing a lot of that in the foreseeable future. Unfortunately, she can't take her work with her as it has to be done on site.

Got to 116 here today. Must make plans to visit Becky in Antarctica...

lylfa -- Look yonder! Little fat animals!

hshozl -- He shot her on Zelda's lanai.

 
At 23/7/06 8:58 PM, Mary said...

Waitaminutehere -- now I've got to find me a date for the pity party? Oh, the pressure, it never stops...

bivoztly - a rather sprightly Hungarian dance, often performed by women waiting in a long line for the one working restroom at a football stadium during a crucial match.

 
At 23/7/06 9:10 PM, glamour-geek said...

Date? We need dates? If we need dates, I want to take Mary. So there. Mary, will that work for you? It's not like I'm going to ask for a goodnight kiss or anything. I'm sure you're gorgeous, but since you have 2 X chromosomes, you're not my type.

The heavens are merciful, indeed. Not only it is already cooling off (huzzah!), but it's cooler now already at 6pm than it was last night at 11. I have hopes that I may actually sleep tonight. That would be a nice novelty.

Hope Kay T is doing ok in the heat or has been away this weekend. It's even hotter where she lives than it is here.

 
At 23/7/06 10:02 PM, Lynn said...

Have confidence in yourself, and remember the person you’re talking to is just a person trying to do their job.

Doesn't thinking of them as just doing their job make it tougher to hate them for not seeing brilliance when it stares them in the face (insert baffled sarcasm here). Seriously though, as others have mentioned the advice is applicable in any professional situation when what you produce is being, in essence, judged by a third party.

No one here expects perfect words of wisdom from you every post ... just most of the time.

 
At 23/7/06 10:04 PM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

Darlings, its a virtual pity party so virtual dates are accepted ... nay, required! I was going to ask Roarke and Cam Quinn ... but I'm think seriously about Peter Wimsey. He could bring Bunter to look after us all. You just know a party will be successful if Bunter is in charge.

 
At 23/7/06 10:15 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

glamour geek you can take anyone you darn well please since we are making up all the plans for this party.

BTW you are only the second person in the world I have heard use the term "huzzah!" The first was my father. He used it a lot.

Since we can take anyone, I am taking Sean Connery. He knows how to treat a lady. I will have the best date and I might even let him charm the rest of you ladies. But REMEMBER THIS! I am the one that brung him. Note to self...must make sure there is a lot of Scotch.

talpianna you are welcome to visit here if you can find me. It seems I am difficult to find, even with a big sign out front. It never gets that warm here.

blue xwcpaw

Xcerpts written by Crusie prepare all writers.

 
At 23/7/06 10:25 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

talpianna tried to go to that site but the url was cut off on your comment and couldn't go. What comes after Hogmolen?

I am also bringing John Cleese to the party to entertain us. We should have some entertainment. How about the Walrus and the Carpenter? How about J.T.? Since we will have Bond there, we might as well as a SF guy, right?

green btcqvi

Bob tries Crusie quoting verbose individuals. (because we know Bob is not verbose.)

 
At 23/7/06 10:46 PM, orangehands said...

HA! i am back! ok, now have to spend next few hours catching up. but your stuck with me again. bah-ha-ha.

 
At 23/7/06 10:55 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

OH, what a tease. You don't need to catch up, just tell us what you've been up to.

How was your new school? How was the lack of electricty? How's mom 'n them?

bw

 
At 23/7/06 10:59 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

orangehands sweetheart we have missed you terribly. You are invited to come to the PPparty for those not going to Atlanta. You can bring any man or one or two or whatever number of persons you wish. No booze...too young in my province anyhow. But most importantly, bring your great sense of humour.

We truly did miss you. The joint will jump now. glamour geek won't have to be naked to keep the place hoppin'. Oh, you missed that? Better catch up on the comments.

blue wslth

Writers seldom learn tactless habits. Oh, that is so bad.

 
At 23/7/06 11:05 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

I just got off the phone after what seems like three hours, hm, it actually was close to three hours. I think they're all done now. The people who are calling to tell me to have a good time in Atlanta. I'm sure I wouldn't if they hadn't told me to. Sigh.

I finally had to tell my mom what might just be considered a lie. Maybe. I told her I really wasn't sure whether Nora Roberts was going to be there this year. That it was just as likely she might have a conflict. Ok, I stressed the word likely. Though *strictly speaking* it is the truth. I personally have no idea what the woman's plans are for the week.

Jenny, if you are reading this, please bear with me if I come up to your table at the signing and buy every Crusie you might have with you and ask you to sign them "To Shirley" because I swear to Bob if my mom doesn't branch out a little in the romance genre-- never mind. I am calm. Really. My mom is just going to be surprised when she gets that great big care package from me in about a week and a half.

bw

 
At 23/7/06 11:23 PM, Toni Anderson said...

Go Bob Go!!!

And tell Jenny to talk slllooowwwllly!!!

Wish I was going this year :(

 
At 23/7/06 11:24 PM, Louis said...

Welcome back

Orangehands

You were indeed missed!

We like your comments.

yqphn sorta weak red

your quota perhaps has names

 
At 23/7/06 11:35 PM, Jen-t said...

OH- Glad you are back - now tell us what you've been up too! Missed you.

SDCB - this PParty you are planning sounds like fun. Can I join in from Atlanta? I'm bringing my laptop and plan on blogging, I'll miss you all too much. DH is showing me how to use his old camera, so I can take pictures. Then, hopefully I'll get to canada before we head off for NJ and I can take you out to that lunch or diner I owe you and share the pictures. Sure Sheryl, you can come too.

RSS - spoke with RG and BCB and hopefully we will all be meeting tuesday night sometime, you game? And you do plan on going to the Pro Retreat, right? Be there for moral support when I do my little intro. Geez, I also offered to intro Bob and Jenny, but some one else got that. Oh well.

Hey Toni - Thought you were writing that scene! LOL. So wish you were going to Atlanta.

buhxpy - bob under hood, xaiver picks yellow

blogger hates me.

pbyjarkl - poor bob, yapping jaws aand rubber kayak linger

 
At 23/7/06 11:52 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

Ok. Now that I really am calm, I realize that sounded like a slam against NR. It was not. I love NR. I love her books. I buy them all without even looking to see what they're about. Love JD Robb, too. Love Eve and Roarke. Really, really love Roarke. Ahem. My mom is just a little obsessed.

I went to a NR book signing years ago, before I was an RWA member (yes, I'm using that as an excuse) when the book with the red cover came out. No I don't know what it was called, I've blocked most of the day from my memory. I don't remember telling her I was a writer, but I must have because she asked me what I was writing. I believe I opened my mouth and said "a book" (note excuse mentioned above). This was not my best moment, but it was one of hers. Please note that I was about the 257th person in line and I was not at the end. She was so gracious and friendly and encouraging. She didn't even roll her eyes or laugh. I would have. But maybe she'd had more practice being nice. So this is why I cringe when my mom says "Maybe you'll get a chance to meet Nora."

But you know the problem? There is a list of a dozen or more people who will be in Atlanta who WILL provoke that same response from me. I will open my mouth and either nothing will come out (please God) or I will say something similar to "a book" and then immediately wish I could just grab it out of thin air and shove it back into my mouth.

You know the other big problem? Jenny and Bob, Him and Her, J&B -- I'd love to meet them because I think they'd be a lot of fun. But Jennifer Crusie and Bob Mayer? Well, I hate to admit it, which means I probably shouldn't, but they're pretty close to the top of that list. So it's a good thing they're going to be really busy next week. And I know what they look like, so after I say "Hi-Bye" real fast, I can stay out of the way.

bw

 
At 24/7/06 12:40 AM, Anonymous said...

Yikes! This has been the day from hell. I mean, doesn't the universe know I'm preparing for Nationals? Sheesh.

This morning the alarm in one of the smoke alarms started to go off. When I moved here last August I left my tall ladder for my buyers of the other house, didn't realise there is a section of the hallway that has a twelve foot ceiling. Guess where the offending alarm was? Guess who hadn't bothered to buy a big tall ladder?

So I called dear friend who has a seventy two year old husband who is a contractor and still works every day. The man is indeed a GAM. He arrived with ladder and proceeded to fix alarm. It did not fix. Beeping continued. "Go to ACE Hardware, buy another one," he suggests. I do. He comes back, one hour later and puts in new alarm, leaves pronto to program his new television. It continues to beep. I feel embarrassed don't want to call again. Maybe the battery wasn't good, I think. I go back to Ace hardware, buy tall ladder, and new pack of batteries, slide ladder onto back seat and pray that new Mercedes doesn't get scratched up, it's a lease for crying out loud. Use dog blanket to line seat and hang ladder out opposite window and drive slowly home.
Disconnect alarm, convinced I will fall and break my leg and not be able to go to National. The damn thing still beeps. Change battery, it still beeps. Call dear friend, Hubby is exhausted and taking a nap. I do much needed housework and break two nails. Friend's hubby arrives (at least this time he doesn't have to schlep ladder) we take down new alarm monitor and put up old one thinking the new is incompatible with other hardware. Beeping continues.
I go around to the second hall and am standing underneath another monitor, it is beeping. What? Turns out we both have hearing problems. It never was alarm number one, only sounded like it, the culprit was number two.
And now, I have to get another manicure tomorrow. sheesh.
rg

lacfs
let all crusies fear self

 
At 24/7/06 12:42 AM, talpianna said...

MCB, if Lord Peter brings Bunter, and Roarke brings Summerset, we won't have to lift a finger!

Scope Dope, here's the same pic with a shorter URL:

http://www.orbromart.com/moleday/graphics/1047580316S.gif

"Hogmolenay" is a pun on "Hogmanay," the Scottish New Year's celebration, which is why I am wearing a kilt and tam in the picture.

rdrnf -- Robert Doherty's really no fun.

(do over because Robena posted while I was previewing):

jduahv -- Jenny, don't U always have Vandermint?

 
At 24/7/06 6:40 AM, orangehands said...

Bob's serious again. i appreciate it Bob. but i thought pitches were one-liners. or is that just movies? (as in, screenplays, not IN the movies) i mean, more than that, but you have one line that needs to hook the person or your basically screwed. and that line needs to tell your story, your plot line, and your character. i could be wrong though, could just be for screenplays, could be for neither, don't listen to me, i haven't slept in a loooong time.

everyone, have fun in Atlanta and NJ (you lucky dogs, you).

but i am going to the PPParty (say that aloud and if you have juvenile humor you'll laugh). no alcohol, no worries, just lots of water.

rg: sorry to hear about that. my mom almost took a BB gun to one of those. or maybe that was me. hate that sound. ech.

BCB: that's like me. meet a celebrity and except for maybe five i would be "oh, hey, cool, ok". meet an author and i'd blabber like a fool. sad, sad sight.

lori and MCB: not to have discussion, apparently tal set up a site already, but did you like Angel's Fall?

Tigress: sorry about your dad
zaza: glad your mom's better
charity_s: hope your doing better
welcome mini-mia and bryan (in case you missed it in other posts)

 
At 24/7/06 6:52 AM, orangehands said...

and because you guys asked (and BTW, missed you all too, thought about you and i have proof: i saw 82 cherry signs total, about 95% of them with the words fresh or juicy, and a couple with "chocolate covered". yep, i counted. the whole 1,000+ miles we drove). anyway:

Santa Cruz: town was yucky, then creepy, and then in one part "eh, it's ok". campus was awesome and a blast. so i may be living on campus all four years...

San Joaquin Valley: we got out of the car and almost had a heat stroke right there. went to the Korean Memorial Cemetery. it was beautiful (i like cemeteries; i know, i'm weird). plus, the valley had these gorgeous golden hills and then sometimes a field of green contrasted with it and that was a true masterpiece.

Saint Nella: where we had Anderson's Soup. nice bathrooms, good food.

Monterey: inn was amazing and all those jelly fish in the Monterey Bay Aquaium were awesome. mom and i went walking around the piers and stuff for hours, and that was great. at night, drove to Salinas, where i had the 30 or so minutes i got to check in on you guys.

Napa: beautiful country, expensive food. didn't have enough time for a vineyard tour but one day...

Quincy: with the heat, humidity, and mosquitoes, it was still fun and really cool to meet one of my mom's old friends (they meet at ages 12 & 13). if you're ever there, there's a place called Morning Thunder that has amazing french toast. cinnamon and butter mixture on the bottom and blue poppy seeds on top. excellent. land was beautiful, and she and her DH are building their house and doing an excellent job on it. dog was adorable.

Cassidy's Family Restuarant- i'll find out where later so in case you are ever in the area, any of you- had excellent food and service. good french toast.

car ride back: about 11 hours: looked through a 500 page catalog book and narrowed down my major/minor to 4 choices: economics, psychology, sociology, and women's studies. didn't like the literature department, which bites. planning on a double major, then grad school up to my PhD. (i know, a LOT of work, but i want it). also, have my first classes: CORE (part of the college i'm assigned to; philosophy and writing, basically, in which i get to go to the highest level because of my AP Test score) & discussion, intro to microeconomics & discussion class, and intro to feminism and discussion class.

trip was great, i like my school, missed you guys, and am so tired my eyes are falling out, so one more post and i am caught up.

sorry this was so long. (and really, could have made it SO much worse)

notice my focus on food? up in N. CA, their fruits actually smell like they're supposed to. it was amazing. fruit in LA is basically tasteless. (still eat it, but tasteless).

oh, great book i read on trip:
Freakonomics by Steven D. Levitt & Stephen J. Dubner. also, Charlaine Harris (telepath who deals with vampires and shifters and weres; read the last 3 books of the series and liked it, so need to get beginning ones) and Sherrilyn Kenyon (Dark Hunters series; so vamps and shifters also). and, of course, i had Terry Pratchett, who is awesome.

ok, way too long, see you when i wake up, which may not be till oh, noon or so. maybe later. catching up on sleep.

 
At 24/7/06 6:52 AM, orangehands said...

oh, i know Suzanne Brockmann's new excerpt is on her website now.

 
At 24/7/06 8:24 AM, bon cheri bomb said...

OH: So glad to have you back. Sorry I've got to leave, but maybe we can abscond with JJ's laptop in Atlanta and check in once in a while. Sounds like you had a good time and plenty to eat. Good course selection (classes not food). And thanks for the astute analysis of my foot in mouth problem: it's not the fame or fortune (seen plenty of that and it's not all that impressive), it's the talent. And the people on that list of mine are not necessarily who you think they'd be. [BTW, I did too go back and read your comments-- knew you'd do that]

RG: I'm so sorry for laughing at your misadventures. You didn't hear me, did you? Aren't you going to be just sooo happy to sit on a plane and do nothing for 10 hours? No ladders, no treadmills. There's always potential for injury in an airplane bathroom, though, so do take care.

Off to work now. The "to do" list for today makes Friday's tax reports seem like a walk in the park. [groan]

bw

 
At 24/7/06 9:53 AM, Anonymous said...

Orange hands, you're back!!!!! Yay!
sounds like you had loads of fun and ate tons of French toast. When my daughter was away at school, there was an inn that made the best blueberry pancakes. I'd get on the plane in L.A. and spend six hours thinking about what I'd be having for breakfast the next morning. Sick, eh?
Glad you like your school. Off to National sans laptop. Will catch up in a week or so.
rg
smnbgqba
simple men never bet gorgeous queens 'bout anything

 
At 24/7/06 10:22 AM, mcb said...

OH, welcome back! I enjoyed reading of your adventures. And of course you can come to the Poor Pitiful Me party. The only people NOT invited are those who think they are soooo important because they are going to Nationals. Huh.

Angels Fall: yes I did like it. I liked Brody's reluctant hero personality, and I liked that Reece never disolved into a pool of self pity even when she thought she was going nuts. I won't say it was best NR ever, but I did like it.

RG: Oh dear - so sorry to hear about your troubles. I feel for you sweetie! Years ago I lived in this place where the detector was so sensitive - I kid you not - STEAM made the dang thing go off. Had to unplug it whenever I was going to drain the pasta or potatoes or whatever. All the billowing steam set it off every time.

 
At 24/7/06 11:17 AM, glamour-geek said...

OH: You will change your mind about your major many times. This is actually a good thing. It gives you time to explore all sorts of subjects.

Also, after a while you'll find out where the nicer parts of Sta. Cruz and the surrounding area are, and you might decide to live off campus anyway.

If you like hiking, Castle Rock park is good and frequented by climbers. Just watch out for the poison oak.

Yeah, we're spoiled up here. Great fruits and veggies. I always forget, then I visit other states and remember how great we have it. There are lots of farmers' markets in the area, too.

 
At 24/7/06 3:20 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

Loved the picture, talpianna good likeness of you. Beautiful tartan too. Molt liquor? LOL

rgsorry about your smoke alarm. WE have one right outside the bathroom and when DH has a bath it goes off.

Now everyone will be going off to National but we will be having our PPparty for a week. You only get to party when the rest of the day is through. Too Bad. /.)

blue tsjslybq

Talpianna saw Jenny save lovely yex 4 Bob's quotes.

blue tuatgsms

Talpianna understands all that girls seem mistaken (about) systematically.

 
At 24/7/06 3:30 PM, Diane said...

OH: I'm glad you had a good trip, and wish you the best for your time at UCSC. I remember Big Basin, near Santa Cruz, as being nice for just plain old walking, with some wonderful huge trees.

Did they still have the comb jellies at the Monterey Bay Aquarium? I remember that and a whole bunch of tanks with different stages of Moon jellies.

There's a lot to be said for living on campus - it's so much easier to be part of the community. Also, one drives less, usually, which is a definite plus these days.

ljwzc: Lying jezebels win zero credibility

 
At 24/7/06 5:12 PM, ZaZa said...

orangehands said...
Santa Cruz: town was yucky, then creepy, and then in one part "eh, it's ok". campus was awesome and a blast. so i may be living on campus all four years...

Welcome back! You've got to realize that Santa Cruz is stuck in a 60s time warp. There are second and even third generation flower children there. ;+) When I was living in Silicon Valley and working as a tech writer, I rented a little cottage down in SC. My idea was to go down there on weekends and write, hang on the pier enjoying the sea breezes and sea food. Then I had a bad fall down a hill near where I was living and could barely walk. I only got down there maybe five times in six months. I had to admit that it was a little expensive at that rate. But I still think about it and wish it were only 45 minutes away from me.

Once classes start and you've got a ton to do, you'll get more used to it. The heat probably didn't help to give you a good impression either. SC is usually not anywhere near that hot except at midday.

cmiwfsfy (green)
Can men in Wellies find sweet friendly YEC?

 
At 24/7/06 5:21 PM, orangehands said...

thanks for the welcome back. missed you. and when you guys go off to Nationals (i get back and then half of you guys are leaving? ahhh!), have fun and take pictures and be safe and watch out for bathrooms because i hear they are really dangerous. deadly, at times.

diane: i remember the name Moon jellies and yeah, they showed them in all these stages. went and looked up the comb jelly to make sure it was the one i thought it was (my mom forgot the camera to take pictures of all the jellies for my dad so we got a book for him). those were cool. have you ever seen the one (they call it a "lobed comb jelly" or a "pleurobrachia bachei" and can't remember the common name) where when they move it looks like neon lights are running up and down it's body? here's a site:

http://jellieszone.com/pleurobrachia.htm

the last picture is the best. but all of the jellies were awesome.

yeah, about the town, i'll probably change my mind, but so far not into it. sooner or later i'll go back in there and then find all these cool places and be in love. i will say there was on bookstore and it was amazing. can't remember the name, but it was huge and in "downtown" area. i will be spending a lot of time there. and the cute clerk flirted with me, which is always nice.

BCB: can't help myself. have to comment. esp from that annoying coot man. bleah.

 
At 24/7/06 5:53 PM, Diane said...

OH: Gorgeous photos! I had no idea there were so many kinds in the Pacific. I know they've gotten to be a bit of a nuisance in the Aral Sea (I think), but I think they're beautiful (as are many invasive species).

I'd never even heard of them 'til a few years ago. Completely ignored in my one college Zoology class...

hussg: no, really. Too easy.

 
At 24/7/06 6:34 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

orangehands those pictures of the jellies are amazing. Especially the last one which shows the neon colours. Glad you had a good trip.

Everyone is so busy with getting MS and themselves ready to pitch at Nationals. I don't envy any of you. It sounds like that conference would be too much for me. I imagine it gives you access to many more important people but it seems like a lot of pressure. I guess I will find out if I ever finish the book I started that rg is nagging me about. /.D

Good luck everyone pitching. Have fun all of you. Smooze!!!!

green uclsx

Usually Crusie likes sex Xplicit.

 
At 24/7/06 9:33 PM, Mary said...

OH, totally nosy question, but which college are you going to? (Since UCSC has several colleges.)


okbgvya - ok, bgvya - Mauiian phrase meaning "sure thing, tourist, that special request just upped the price $50 bucks"

p.s. Hey, OH, whaddya mean if you liked one of my verifications you must be tired? You tryin' to start something, huh? huh?

p.p.s. Hmmmn, must be past dinner-time. Blood sugar getting low, self becoming cranky.

 
At 24/7/06 11:02 PM, orangehands said...

diane: actually, they seemed to turn almost 75% of the aquarium into jelly fish exhibits, which makes me wonder about what happened to the fish from before. i only had one problem with the whole thing. the penguin cage was so tiny. i mean, really, really, really tiny. writing them a letter about that.

mary: whoops. i didn't mean tired. i meant i loved your verification, very impressed, i just happen to be tired at the time...you buying this at all? did like the verification though. loved it. LOVED it.

a CB, nosy? hah! no such thing. i'm going to Stevenson. not sure what kind of dorm i'll be in (they don't send that out- or who your roommate will be- until mid August). there seem to be two things about Stevenson that are different from the other colleges: it has the biggest dorms, and you have to take TWO core classes, as opposed to just one. actually, steve sounds pretty cool. even if i did pick it on my random basis. (also how i basically picked my college...)

you, cranky? never....:)

 
At 24/7/06 11:10 PM, Mary said...

Hey, OH, very smooth save, I'm impressed :)

One more (yes, I admit it) nosy question: was there some sort of Orientation this past week? 'Cause if there wasn't, my nephew Emil is SOOOooo busted. He told his father, who told my mother, who told me (are you following all this?) that he had to go down to S.C. this past week for Orientation.

Mind you, I don't feel comfortable telling on him if this 'tweren't so, but I figure on getting a really nice Christmas present from him if it is so ;)

enuctmy emil (k)nowingly understands (creatively, true) my Yes's

dagnabbit

vzmxttoy - verily, Zaruthrustra maximezes the true test of Yes

oh for Heaven's sake
wiewie - why it exists won't is extrue?

 
At 25/7/06 12:58 AM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

mary if Emil is not telling the truth then I think orangehands was not either because it seems to me that she said in one of the comments that she was going down to college for orientation. I could be wrong. I have been before. /.D

red ulpmby

Unusually lovely people maybe Bob yex.

 
At 25/7/06 4:12 PM, djr said...

Bob, Jenny, we need a blank blog for the p-party!

 
At 25/7/06 4:27 PM, orangehands said...

mary: yep, there was orientation (your not wrong, scope dope). it was a couple of different days. i went to the earliest one and i think that last one was the 22nd, but it could be the 29th.

wait, SC as in my school, the bannana slugs, or South Carolina? didn't meet an Emil, but if it is Santa Cruz find out what college he is in, will ya? ("What? and let a CB near my impressionable nephew? never!"). be cool to find the guy and go "i know your aunt. I'm a CB" ("Another one? NOOOOOOO!")

see, we are all nosy.

 
At 25/7/06 8:41 PM, orangehands said...

that was you're, not your.

she says several hours later.

 
At 25/7/06 9:23 PM, Mary said...

Thanks, orangehands. I'll find out what college Emil is going to. Did I mention he's tall (well from my perspective everyone is tall), tan, with blond hair, blue eyes, and a great smile?

No, I'm not biased, what makes you think that? [sheepish grin]

 
At 25/7/06 10:47 PM, BDV said...

Bob:

Really enjoyed your explanation of the difference between a thriller and a mystery (and it makes a lot of sense to me).

BUT

when something is unique, it is unique. Not very unique. Unique is, by definition, one of a kind. Not subject to comparison.

Sorry about that. It's just one of my pet peeves. Even from a GAM.

 
At 25/7/06 11:19 PM, orangehands said...

mary: biased? you? nah...(i meet him and it turns out he IS drop-dead gorgeous).

notice you went with the physical first. i said YEX is important, not the only thing. geez. :)

 
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