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Tuesday, July 18, 2006

SHE WROTE: Frosty

So collaborating, not for kids. Bob and I have worked out a sort of a Porcupine Partnership: We collaborate very carefully. We're back at work with a new character: Abigail, the Underage Nun, a stripper that Palmer's boneheaded best man, Downer, has hired for his bachelor party. And only you guys will know where she came from. One of the bonuses of reading the blog. Probably the only bonus besides talking to each other in the comments.

BCB quoted my favorite Frost--actually not a Frost fan here because he was such a son of a bitch, especially to his wife--the poem I'm going to stencil onto my office wall if I ever finish cleaning it up--because it really nails why anybody goes through the hell of being a writer, let alone collaborating.

The poem, as BCB said, is Two Tramps At Mudtime, and the narrator is cutting wood and really enjoying it when two tramps come by and offer to do it for him, and it's clear that they truly need the work and the money. The poem is about work and what it means and it ends:


Nothing on either side was said.
They knew they had but to stay their stay
And all their logic would fill my head:
As that I had no right to play
With what was another man's work for gain.
My right might be love but theirs was need.
And where the two exist in twain
Theirs was the better right--agreed.

But yield who will to their separation,
My object in living is to unite
My avocation and my vocation
As my two eyes make one in sight.
Only where love and need are one,
And the work is play for mortal stakes,
Is the deed ever really done
For Heaven and the future's sakes.


It's that last bit. You wonder why Bob and I do this when we fight so bitterly. Sometimes so do we. But we love what we do. We'd do it if we didn't get paid for it and we have, both as a team and solo, writing without contracts, praying that somebody would be along to pay for it later. We've written when it was fun and when it wasn't because we need to write. Bob said once that what we each really needed, separately, was a couple of weeks off, no work. I said, "How?" If I end up someplace and I don't have a notebook and a pen, I start to hyperventilate. I have dialogue written on the back of my checkbook, in the margins of magazines I've swiped from doctors' offices, in the backs of all my Sudoku books. I overhear people's conversations in airports and I write them down on the sleeve of my boarding pass. I see pictures in magazines in waiting rooms and I tear them out because that's what Crash's house in Tuscany looks like (yeah, like I'd buy an Architectural Digest). I miss exits on the interstate because I've got people talking in my head. Put me on a beach, I'm going to write dialoge in the sand. I don't write because I want to be rich or famous or go on book tours (ARRRRRGH) or see my name in bookstores or any of that stuff that people think they want to be published for--I like money as much at the next person but it doesn't really seem to be connected to the writing in any way, it's not like I type so many words and somebody puts a check on the desk--I write because I write, it's sort of like breathing, I type because I am. And Bob's the same way. We tripped over each other and found out that we write well together, so that was lucky, and yes, we annoy the hell out of each other and frequently we become seriously angry with each other and think about never opening each other's e-mails again--my e-mail blocker calls his name pretty often--and then we go back to the book because we both love to write and need to write and we make each other better writers, and that's really all there is to it.

Only where love and need are one and the work is play for mortal stakes. That's us. We love to write and we need to write and we're playing for mortal stakes both together and on our own. And sometimes we get frosty because we really weren't designed to play well with others, particularly with each other. It's the ox and the dachshund thing. But it's what we were born to do. Mortal stakes.

And now Bob will come in and disagree. Because the other thing we were born to do is fight. Sigh.

71 Comments:

At 20/7/06 11:46 AM, Lori said...

So does Abigail strip from a nun costume?

Yeah, I know, Jenny. You write a beautiful insight into J & B, and that’s the question I come away with.

Sorry...but does she?

mizxnvq: Most intriguing Zaza, Xavier needs valium quick.

 
At 20/7/06 11:48 AM, mcb said...

Virgin blog.

Hi Jenny. Glad to hear you guys are back at work. Bob can have Abigail as long as Palmer's buddy keeps her away from Shane. An underage stripper nun. jeez.

And we know that you and Bob fight because you both care about the book. And really fighting is better than seething in silence.

But its probably best that you work together from a distance.

 
At 20/7/06 11:58 AM, mcb said...

or not.

 
At 20/7/06 12:02 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

Jenny I agree with mcb The distance thing is good. Like Lori I have a question. What is the ox and the dachund thing? I don't know that, I don't think. Thanks for the explanation of how you and Bob feel. It gives us further insight into you and he, you and him or what the heck....

mcb you can hang with me in New Jersey. I will be going to some of the workshops but I don't have to see agents or editors and cherry magic sheryl will be confering with one of them. Then there is the bar and the parties and.... /.D

green yzifjmiu

Yec, zest, indigestion, foes, Jenny's and Mayer's (Agnes & The Hitman) involves universal (problems).

 
At 20/7/06 12:04 PM, Bryan said...

Jenny & Bob,

I finished DLD about two weeks ago, and I finished reading January's blog entries yesterday. The two of you represent the battles I have with myself in my own journey to authorhoodness. I'd do it anyway, but I really want to be published not, as you pointed out, for the money, but more as a confirmation that someone else thought I was good at it (you know, besides my mother).

I'm enjoying reading about your journey together. Sometimes it makes me wish I could share it someone other than my psychotic twin brother that I keep locked in the basement... but other times I realize that I need to learn more about the craft before I drive somebody else crazy.

Thanks for your efforts... and for the chronicle of your journey.

 
At 20/7/06 12:04 PM, Jen-t said...

Wow, that was deep. I laughed about missing exits because people were talking to you, happens to me all the time and it's not my kids distracting me, I ignore them. LOL.

About the fighting, I like fighting. I mean, a good healthy disagreement is good for the soul.

Okay, now to go write something less deep, sex! My hero is really horny and well, so is the heroine, and the nephew is well, asleep, so why not.

Will Abigail show up in a tight pink T-shirt?

 
At 20/7/06 12:10 PM, Jen-t said...

Okay, now that we have the "feelings" out. Can we have a lesson on how to write more than one book at a time, please? I'm so struggling with this one. i'm so confused, my head hurts.

 
At 20/7/06 12:24 PM, mcb said...

Hey Bryan. Welcome.

Scope Dope: Way cool! I'm more than willing to hang and drink margaritas. Got a spare eye patch?

Dee and I are, I think, sharing a ride. And something was said about meal passes which would be cool 'cuz then I can hobnob which is always fun. But I'm mostly looking on it as a potential girls just wanna have fun and meet other CBs weekend. I can do that from the bar - no problem.

 
At 20/7/06 12:32 PM, Lori said...

McB: I didn't claim VB, so by all means it's yours.

SDCB: That's a way better question than mine. The Ox and The Dachshund On January 29th Jenny made a post with that title. I guess it was a commercial that featured an ox and a dachshund yoked together trying to haul a wagon with not so great results. Great visual for very different people struggling to work together.

Jenny: I went back and reread. I know you can't honestly think there are only two benies for us. When I think of all the stuff I've learned from just reading Bob and your posts, it makes me dizzy. I couldn't imagine what I'd take away from an actual workshop. I'd probably walk smack into a wall after, I'd be so full of good stuff.

 
At 20/7/06 12:52 PM, Lynn said...

"One of the bonuses of reading the blog. Probably the only bonus besides talking to each other in the comments."

Only? Puh-lease. Yes we like to talk to each other, but I for one wouldn't know any of these other CB's if not for this blog. As I've said many times, I'm not a writer. However, the insights I have gained concerning the writing process are numerous. I have a great respect for what you do and have learned not to take for granted the work and dedication that goes into to writing a good book I can read (and read and read again). It hasn't made me quite whining for a new title to read, but at least I'm no longer bitter about it.

;- )


Thanks for taking the time to "feed the monster."

 
At 20/7/06 1:19 PM, cmb said...

See Lynn's post above. What she said. Yeah. Ditto.

There was a book once, I think it was one of NR's Irish trilogies where there's a writer and he says something like, people don't run around saying they could perform brain surgery, but everyone thinks they can write even though they've never done it.

So we get a lot of fun stuff out of the blog and got to know each other and so forth. But we also get an appreciation for the fact that it is more than just putting words on paper. Its gotta be the right words at the right time in the right way. If I forget and get lost in the magic all to often, its only because the writers are so darned good at what they do. I never see the slight of hand so to me its just magic.

So the next time him and you want to strangle each other, remember those of us here in bloggerland who really really REALLY appreciate all the blood, sweat, tears, and profanity. When we read Agnes (book done yet?) we won't see that because we'll be lost in the magic. And maybe we'll forget to say thank you. But we really really REALLY do appreciate it. Because a world without books is just to dismal to contemplate.

Thank you for bleeding for us.

akqhi: provides soothing relief for what ails you. (And tastes a lot like tequila.

 
At 20/7/06 1:20 PM, Louis said...

Jenny....

Keep on writing...

Without Jenny and Bob reading would be "The road less traveled"

Thanks for writing!




Welcome Bryan

nhknaflt blue

no hands keep not a fleeting laughter together

 
At 20/7/06 1:31 PM, Anonymous said...

Ahh, fresh meat. We needed a new topic. (grin)

Love your comments Jenny. Love that you let us come over and play in your backyard.

Frosty communications are still communications and remember there is the possibility of a good thaw. And then the words will flow.

You guys will figure it out because the work will always win out in the end. You're both dedicated writers and artists. By the time you get to the third act you'll just truck along and it will be a breeze. I have complete faith ...
rg

 
At 20/7/06 1:47 PM, naked under my clothes said...

An underage nun stripper. Only in a Crusie-Mayer.

But could she go back to being "Abigal"? As in Abi-gal? I thought that was a cute way to spell it.

No? OK, spell it your way. But don't forget the potentially lethal qualities of toxic coleslaw.

P.S. Thanks for the deep thoughts. Your (both of you) emotional honesty and dedication to the craft are breathtaking.

 
At 20/7/06 2:11 PM, Anonymous said...

Smiling at the computer again, my boss is having serious doubts about me...

 
At 20/7/06 2:42 PM, Lynn said...

Another thought ... I try not to have them too often because they can hurt, but for you guys I'll go forth.

On the way to lunch I walk by the campus chapel. They are painting the steeple - involving a cherry pickers and ladders on the roof! - and listening to tunes. The other day I could hear music coming from their radio and I wondered what accompaniment was good for painting a chapel. It was Phil Vassar singing Just Another Day in Paradise.

Oddly appropriate then, and for this blog posting as well. Be glad I'm not singing it for you becuase just like there are writers and people who write, there are singers and people who can sing. I don't need a bucket to carry a tune, but I digress. Here's the chorus:

"Well, it's ok.
It's so nice
It's just another day in paradise
There's no place that I'd rather be

It's two hearts
One dream
I wouldn't trade it for anything
And I ask the lord every night
For just another day in paradise."


There you go.

 
At 20/7/06 2:53 PM, Jen-t said...

Lynn - about just another day in paradise, when I think paradise, I think Meatloaf - Paradise by the dashboard lights.

Yeah, mind is in the gutter. Hey, I'm writing a sex scene right now. Besides, my mind is always in the gutter.

Okay, allergies suck, big time. I'm having an allergy attack. I can't stop sneezing, my nose is running, I put in my contacts, stupid decision on my part, I've gone through a box of klenex and now on to a roll of TP. I've taken drugs, not helping and I think I'm pmsing. Yeah, just another day in paradise! Big grin!

vqnnmfbr - Vandermear quit nipping Nicki, moot feeds bob rubarb.

 
At 20/7/06 3:09 PM, Mary Stella said...

Only where love and need are one and the work is play for mortal stakes.

I've wondered about the source for that quote for over 20 years. Robert B. Parker used it for his book Mortal Stakes.

Don't know why I didn't just Google and be done with it, except that Google wasn't around 20 years ago.

I also don't always trust the Internet for sources. People still can't decide whether Nelson Mandela or Marianne Williamson is the source of Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.

People argue with great decisiveness for one of them or the other, but nobody on earth is as entertaining in their arguments at Jenny and Bob!

byxdvw: Boy, you x-pect devotion? Very well.

 
At 20/7/06 3:11 PM, btuda said...

Hi all. I sit in awe of this blog almost daily (I'm pretty new to posting, although I've been lurking for a while now). A few years ago, I would have never dreamed a computer would have such an impact on me writing-wise.

I originally tried the writing thing about ten+ years ago sans computer (ugh, what was I thinking?!?!) so since I'm trying again, everything I learn here is priceless to me. I once met Jenny at a writer's thing (the details are fuzzy now, but I remember liking Jenny!). Years later, I pick up the book my sister is reading, say, "Hey, I met her once and I liked her books," and she replied, "You've told me that a zillion times. I know. She's great. You bought me that book."

So I started reading Jenny again, read about the Argh blog on JAK's blog, learned about Cherries, ventured over here and now I'm addicted.

And now I'm learning, sweating, swearing, cutting, revising, researching, arcing, bombing, adding, re-revising and yes, writing all over again.

J&B, the Cherries, and CBs, thanks for helping me get back on track again.

And now I'll go back to lurking and writing again.

ppewd - the noise you make driving past the local corn processing plant. Note to self: keep windows up.

Blogger hiccupped.
ufrdoifn: User friendly reading doesn't omit ick factor necessarily.

 
At 20/7/06 3:16 PM, Mary Stella said...

MCB, you can get the complete scoop on the NJRW Conference at www.njromancewriters.org. Here's the info on the Meals Passes from our chapter website:

**Meals-Only Tickets are for spouses/family members of full-registration conference attendees and include Friday dessert reception and Saturday breakfast and lunch.

 
At 20/7/06 3:25 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

Jenny, appreciate you posting that part of it; it's been years since I read the entire thing and I'd forgotten. It resonates more now than it did then. Thanks.

And it has been way too long since you sat where I am if you really believe that hearing a talented, successful, experienced writer say what you said in this post -- or any of the others -- has no value to one who is struggling and scribbling on every available scrap of paper to capture the voices that come at odd moments. Shame on you (she said NICELY).

Back to work.

bw

 
At 20/7/06 3:41 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

Um. I wasn't telling someone ELSE to get back to work (though that would be good, too) I was admonishing myself there. Someone has to do it.

bw

 
At 20/7/06 4:17 PM, Jen-t said...

completely off topic - but who cares. I've been fiddling with my website and I put my picture on it. Kind of scarey, but cool. Just had to share.

vxtrhcsv - victor, xavier trolling relentlessly, hooking catfish, sucking vigerously.

 
At 20/7/06 4:49 PM, Lynn said...

Jen-t said: "about just another day in paradise, when I think paradise, I think Meatloaf - Paradise by the dashboard lights."

MEATLOAF! LOL I can't tell you the last time I heard anyone mention his music or refer to him. Don't think I've ever heard the tune. Now I have to look it up. Anywho, for me listening to meatloaf is akin to my avoidance of any food that ends in loaf. Ick.(Dang, I hope that reads better than it typed.)

Web pages? Web pages? A love/hate relationship. Right now it's hate. You know the good thing about being in a state wide library consortium? You get many lovely databases. The bad thing about said consortium? When the databases change you have to go through ALL the web pages you have created and update them to reflect the NEW pages and info. Only another 40 pages to go.

The back to work call was needed as it's blessedly close to quitting time. ;-)

 
At 20/7/06 4:59 PM, ZaZa said...

Jenny said...
As that I had no right to play
With what was another man's work for gain.

Wahoo, Jenny! Is that not the best justification you've ever heard for having a maid service??? I'm just saying. Nods, repeatedly.

ibmcat (blue)
Is that a cat who can use a computer?
Or maybe it's what the neighborhood tom says, "I b m(ean) cat."

 
At 20/7/06 5:32 PM, ZaZa said...

Okay, now I feel vapid and silly. Everyone else said such meaningful things about writing. It's been a part of my life for so long I can't remember what it's like not to do it.

I haven't missed any exits. No. I have my own twist to that. It's when you're heading home after a long day, your mind engrossed, and you suddenly notice that you're on an off-ramp. Which off-ramp? No idea. Nothing looks familiar. What's the last thing you remember seeing? The car when I got into it?

This isn't such a big deal here in CA, but in Maryland and DC, you can't count on there being an on-ramp going the other way, sometimes within miles. This is especially thrilling when you find yourself in a very scary part of town.

Oh, well, more fodder for some future story.

And welcome, Bryan. Another angsty writer will fit right in. ;+)

ntcfdpdf (green)
No two cats find dogs properly date friendly.

 
At 20/7/06 6:25 PM, dee said...

I come home from work at the restaurant and I have to type up all of the notes I've written tomyself throughout the day. I hear my people's talking in my head, I see funny things, I hear outragrous things from real people at tables, I eavesdrop on stories of co-workers. Sometimes I feel like a voyeur, but it all goes into a file of 'notes'. They don't have to be profound things, just interesting, things that make me smile, make me think, or things that seem too crazy to be true, so you know they are. And I come home and add them all in, with little notes to myself about the notes, backstory, character arcs. Really, I write all day long, even when I don't have my computer anywhere near me. I write because I HAVE to write. I don't have a choice. I feel like something is seriously wrong if I let those people stay INSIDE my head. They need to get out and breathe!

That's why I really love it HERE. All my people can breathe, and you guys still love me, no matter which one is in control at the time I'm typing. Thanks for that.

And welcome to our new CB. It's always good to see a new fan!!

 
At 20/7/06 6:50 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

zaza wrote Okay, now I feel vapid and silly. Everyone else said such meaningful things about writing. I

But that's what we love about you. [grin] I loved the justification for getting out of doing things I don't want to do: someone else has a need to do it that is greater than mine. The hard part is finding that rare someone who needs to clean up pet yak. Really bad segue here, but is your mom feeling better?

Bryan, welcome. And if you let that schizo brother out of the basement for a little regular exercise and fresh air I bet he'll even out a litte.

btuda: Please don't lurk, we want to hear what you have to say to us. As long as you always agree with us and compliment us outrageously and send us expensive chocolate, you know, little stuff, easy to do. Really.

JJ (I just can't call you JT, that's someone else): Love the picture! Gorgeous! The only scary thing about it is that you're going to take one look at me and say, nope, not going to hang out with her, no way, it will ruin my image. [grin] I like the other site changes too.

bw

 
At 20/7/06 7:01 PM, ZaZa said...

bon cheri bomb said...
Really bad segue here, but is your mom feeling better?

Yes, she is. And considering the context of the stomach flu, cat yak was a reeaally bad seque. ;+)) She doesn't remember that she was sick, which is good in one way, but she thinks she's dying because she feels so bad now. I can see it's not going to be too long before I have to do something about her care. I'm hoping I can get an in-home caregiver rather than putting her in a nursing home. It just sucks, you know. But, seriously, thanks for asking and remembering.

xiptwnus (blue)
Xavier is pretty talented, while not usually sober.

 
At 20/7/06 8:06 PM, talpianna said...

Jenny--which of you is the ox, and which the dachshund?

Bryan--Welcome to the madness. Bring the twin; he'll fit right in.

The Frost quote is wonderful. I may have told this story before, but it bears retelling; it's from the first volume of Madeleine L'Engle's "Crosswicks" trilogy of memoirs. She had been trying unsuccessfully to sell a book for years, and suddenly realized that it was almost the tenth anniversary of the first time she'd submitted it. She made up her mind that if it came back this last time, she'd forget about being a writer. It came back; and she was trying to keep to her resolve when she realized that in her mind she was plotting out the story of a writer who decided to give up writing....

So she gave up giving up, and kept on trying with the MS, which finally sold. It was the award-winning A WRINKLE IN TIME.

kksemvw -- Kurt & Kathy stole even Mary's VW.

itins -- Is Talpianna in (a) new snit?

 
At 20/7/06 8:28 PM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

Tal said ...
So she gave up giving up, and kept on trying with the MS, which finally sold. It was the award-winning A WRINKLE IN TIME.

Which was turned into a play my school did in 4th grade and I understudied Diane Kelly who only got the part because she was blond. Not that I hold that against her.

 
At 20/7/06 8:38 PM, Cbell said...

Jenny...

Thanks for the Frosty poem. I have had one of the crappiest days I can remember, and it is not likely to get before before tomorrow. But that poem spoke to the writer in me who is committed to an online writing class that I have ignored for a couple of days.

Thanks, I needed that.

 
At 20/7/06 9:11 PM, Cherry Magic Sheryl said...

{{{{{{cbell}}}}} lot of hugs and I hope things get better.

Jenny, as I have pointed out before and as is being stated here, we have lots of reasons for coming on this blog. Yes, we love talking to each other in the comments but we get a lot from what you and Bob have to say too. Not just the humour but the training things about writing and your successes and how difficult it was etc. We learn a lot from each other too. So it is a good place to be. /.)

deewe love you no matter what voice you are using. You can't hide from me now in New Jersey because I went to your blog and saw your picture. Now I am going to find jen-t's. Hee Hee Hee Hee. I will be the mystery guest. NOT!

green lepkwr

Love essentially promotes killing, writes Robert.

 
At 20/7/06 9:16 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

BTW I wrote that comment. Sheryl had posted a comment and forgot to change it back. She is here "babysitting" me and made dinner for which none of you showed. It was delicious. Nice steak, salad, fresh, fresh rolls...yum! Too bad. I guess we will have steaks all summer since you didn't come to get yours. 50 steaks. Wow!

green ilhjcrb

Interestingly, literature has Jenny Crusie reading (poetry 2) Bob.

 
At 20/7/06 9:55 PM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

Scope Dope and Sheryl: We were on our way, I swear we were. But you know how paranoid BCB is. She made us take all the back roads and we had a flat and we finally got that fixed with the kind help of a stranger and then we got lost and ended up going the wrong way on the interstate. And I could have used a steak about then because I was hungry enough to eat the flat tire but I didn't because I'm on that new low rubber diet that's all the fad now. Much easier to follow than avoiding carbs.

Plus which, nobody had your address. We knocked on A LOT OF DOORS looking for Cherry Magic and Scope Dope but all we got were blank looks. And then this police cruiser was passing by and giving us the once over and the cop wasn't that good looking so we decided to leave.

sendbzbi - he knows where we are.

 
At 20/7/06 9:58 PM, Anonymous said...

Jen-T: Beautiful photo, and you are so young, and pretty and gots a nice figure and ummm ... well, maybe I'll find some other old lady to hang with. (grin)

Welcome Bryan. Another guy, for us to tease. Cool. And btuda, keep those comments coming, don't be shy.

I have two of Jenny's quotes typed up and sticky-taped to my computer. I normally put a quote from the latest book, or workshop or blog up there and then peel it off after a couple of weeks. But Jenny's stay until they become so ratty I have to re-type them. Thanks for being such a clever lady, Jenny. And, your last quote has place of honor beside the photograph of Richard the Canadian Chipmunk that Talpianna sent to me months ago. I named him Dick. He's very handsome.
rg
ifbhnduo
I fear burning hoarseness, no duo

 
At 20/7/06 10:18 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

MCB, you are such a big fat liar. Scope Dope, this is what really happened. I was driving and we were moving along, making good time on the FREEWAY, when MCB sees this cop pull up next to us. She thinks he's really hot (what can I say, the girl hangs out in DC and pickin's are mightly slim in that town). So she starts making faces at the poor man, trying to flirt. He thinks she's threatening him with bodily harm (I told you not to do THAT with your hands, MCB) so he gets on his bullhorn thingy and orders us to pull over. MCB panics, of course, and stomps down on the accelerator, never mind that my foot was in the way. So a chase ensued. He shot out a tire but we made it off the freeway and onto a side road without him following and changed the flippin' tire. THEN we had to stick to the back roads, because by then all the cops in the tri-state area were after us. Don't ask which tri-state area, I have no idea. I was too busy trying to regain some feeling in my foot. Now I'll never be able to find cute shoes for conference because one foot is a size nine and the other is now more like a 13.

Do not ever agree to go anywhere in a car with MCB. Swear to Bob, the woman is a menace. There is a reason she rides the subway to work.

bw

 
At 20/7/06 10:51 PM, dee said...

BCB, Thanks so much for the warning.
MCB, I have it on very good advice that you are a menace, darlin'. So, you're gonna have to find your own way to NJ, because there is NO WAY I'm lettin you in my car. You might try to get fresh with some hot dude on the NJ Turnpike!
Jen, geez, woman. Nice site. Nice pic. You're rockin', chick!
ScopeDope, You are still the sweetest CB that I know. And I would NEVER try to hide from you in NJ...unless you were being chased by Needles. Then all bets are off. That Needles person just terrifies me!
zaza, glad your mom is feeling better, sorry she's not feeling so great. I know, that sounds pretty weird, but I have a feeling you understand what I mean. I hear you on the nursing home thing. My Grams has macular degeneration and won't have sight for much longer. Luckily, she's agreed to move in with us, because I just really can't imagine her in a home. I think half the staff would quit before her first day was over. She's just THAT sweet. ;>)

 
At 20/7/06 11:07 PM, Conscripted Cherry said...

SDCB- Sorry- I wanted to get there, I really did. It's just that, well...uhm uh... see (I am so channeling Barbara Cartland, whom I haven't read since junior high) it's the whole international borders thing. I mentioned to my lawyer that I was going to have dinner with some Cherries. I beileive that he thought I meant I was going to have some cherries with my dinner, oh well. And he said that would be a good idea since it was cherry season and I wouldn't have to worry about leaving the county to get some. I corrected him and mentioned I would be dining in Canada. He then reminded me (yep I'd forgotten) that I couldn't even cross every state border yet (Utah can be picky about some things) and definately couldn't cross any international borders until we managed to get my "little problem" handled. I don't see what the big deal is. I told the arresting officer that it wasn't destruction of property, it was gene pool purification. He didn't believe me. It's not my fault that some books have folks who are TSTL. I was just doing my civic duty by removing those books from the library before they had a chance to breed and produce other TSTL heroines. Actually I don't think the real problem was the books but the way I chose to purify said gene pool. Ever seen one of those old cannons that some towns have? If you know what you're doing most of them can be made to work again. Have you ever seen the carnage produced by a cannon and boxes of TSTL heroines? So, as soon as I get that little problem taken care of I'll be right there. Pinky swear.

uqcrr- using quills causes rapid reworking

 
At 20/7/06 11:56 PM, Lori said...

SDCB: That wasn't you I was having dinner with tonight? Darn it anyhow. Umm, Scope Dope, could you do me a favor? If you come across a lovely woman in an eye patch describing me to the police, please explain about the misunderstanding. Oh...and could you get her brownie recipe too please? Those were some great brownies.

wzlwpyo: Will Zaza linger with pretty yellow ostriches?

 
At 21/7/06 12:33 AM, talpianna said...

RG wrote: the photograph of Richard the Canadian Chipmunk that Talpianna sent to me months ago. I named him Dick. He's very handsome.

Actually that was a Richardson's Ground Squirrel aka gopher...

Scope Dope: Sorry I didn't make it for dinner. I am the world's worst navigator and I somehow wound up here in California. I'm tired, so I just checked into the first halfway decent place I came to--the Bates Motel. I'm really hot and tired, so I think I'll go take a shower now, then come back and order something to eat and finish reading the blog...

xxsbjj --XX sex, Bob? Jenny's job!

 
At 21/7/06 12:40 AM, Mary said...

Oh, Scope Dope, I really made an effort to get there for dinner. I think, in retrospect, it was a bad idea to set out by horseback, and especially on that particular horse's back. I'd borrowed a Tennessee Walking Horse, you see, and all it wanted to do was get back to Tennessee. I pleaded with him to make a left turn and head North, but all he would say is "neigh."


srumi - Baby Suri's invisible twin sister

 
At 21/7/06 12:59 AM, talpianna said...

Mary Jo Putney just posted this on the (once more highly recommended> Word Wenches blog:

Traditionally, when an RWA national looms, appearance anxiety strikes women who don’t get out often enough. E-mail loops of writers buzz with panicky questions from newbies about what one should wear. For RWA, the dress code is professional—anyone asking if she can wear jeans will hear horrified gasps. This is very different from an sff con, where appearance runs to hippy casual or alien appendages. For RWA, black is always good since most of the editors and agents are wearing black. It's a New York Thing.

Attendees also discuss humidity—meeting in places like New Orleans tend to make some of us look like dandelions in full fuzzy mode.

Serious aspiring writers who are close to selling their first book often freak at the prospect of agent and editor appointments, and rehearse pitches for their books. Old hands assure them that agents and editors are not (usually) writer-eating monsters. Industry pros are generally quite kind when dealing with desperate writers.

My personal dress code for writing events is artsy professional and comfortable. In a pinch, jettison the artsy professional and go for the comfort. A great boon to me and many of my sister authors is Chico’s, the clothing chain for aging baby boomers who want to look dashing but have lost the taste (and the figures) for wearing tight garments, no matter how fashionable.

A friend said that Chico’s clothing is made of materials that will never rot in a landfill, but their stuff is great for aging baby boomers. At my last national conference, two years ago in Dallas, I spotted lots of Chico’s outfits. Usually this consisted of solid color knit top and slacks paired with a great jacket and splashy, fun jewelry. It’s a good look—and how can you not like a store where you get to try on a size 2 rather than a “large?” *g*

At heart, RWA is a business conference, and writers go to meet with their agents and editors, or perhaps look for new ones. We go to learn and to see our friends and make new ones. Maybe we also go to do some research in that particular city, or visit a relative there while being able to deduct the trip. Several years ago, I gave the keynote address in Washington, DC, and coined one of my better phrases if I do say so: “An RWA conference is 2000 introverts pretending to be extroverts.”

At the end, we head home wrecked, overfull of talk and information (and maybe appetizers as well), carrying a ton of new books—and most of the time, we go home happy. We’ve just been able to spend a few days with Our Own Kind—and isn’t that something just about everyone enjoys?

Mary Jo, who really needs at least one new jacket per national conference…

 
At 21/7/06 1:14 AM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

You ladies crack me up. Those "excuses" for not coming to dinner were excellent. Of course, DH is tearing one of his two hairs out about spending $500 on steak that nobody ate and $350 for salad makings and $200 for fresh rolls. Of course, he is a GAM so he will absorb the cost but heaven help anyone who comes here looking for Scope Dope or Cherry Magic Sheryl. He will know it is a late-for-dinner cherry bomb. /.)

green kialq

Killers in Atlanta like quintessential (cherry bombs).

 
At 21/7/06 1:24 AM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

P.S. Can anybody tell me what I can do with 40 2 litre containers of Frozen Strawberry Yogurt? I mean I love the stuff but even I can't eat all that and it is quickly turning to soup. Does anybody have a Strawberry Yogurt Soup recipe? Would make a great refreshing summertime treat, don't you think?

red marrn

Mayer always reads Roberts, Nora.

 
At 21/7/06 1:36 AM, Anonymous said...

Actually that was a Richardson's Ground Squirrel aka gopher...

Well dang it, Tal, I knew he was a little critter and there was a Richard or something in his name, so that's why I called him Dick. Oh yeah, it was me who had the chipmunk cheeks, now I remember. But he is cute showing off his little toofers.

SDCB: Are you sure you sent dinner invitations? I never saw one. And I like steak. I really, really like steak. Sigh. I just went up to the post box to see if the mailman was late today. Still nothing.
Was I on the B list? Story of my life. Double sigh. Well, no worries, I couldn't have made it anyway what with all of my injuries, and then all of those beauty appointments pre-Nationals.
rg
dbqhp
dey be quite huge people

 
At 21/7/06 2:23 AM, Mary said...

Hmmmn, Scope Dope. You tell me you've got 80 litres of strawberry yogurt and a disgruntled husband, and ask what you should do.

[[[[***okay, kids, this is the point where your parents use discretion and tell you to hoof it***]]]]]

Well, young lady, this is what you do...

Mind you, before you proceed you need the following prerequisites:
1. A naughty negliée and an even naughtier frame of mind
2. A feather
3. A vibrating --- oh, is that the blog moderator over there in the corner waving at me? How very friendly. I'll just go see what she wants. Won't be a sec.

 
At 21/7/06 7:16 AM, DownUnderGal said...

I once made my husband pull over to the nearest shop so I could go and beg a pen. For some insane reason there wasn't one in my bag, or the glove box, or the CD holder thingy or the sunlgasses holder thingy. It was a coffee shop.
"Can I borrow a pen?" (I had paper, ripped out of the back of the car manual)
"You can have a coffee, we dont sell pens."
Bought DD's favourite coffee and stole "difficult shop persons" pen from their pocket, wrote my two perfect sentences, replaced it and left.
There have been too many occasions where I've thought - I'll write it down later. I have learnt the hard way it's never so good later. The absolute perfect clarity of that moment comes but once.
But I love it when plots rumminate in my head. Walking around with characters just marinating in their juices is wonderful.
I have stuff written on tuckshop bags, dockets, theatre tickets and napkins - all filed in my filing cabinent under "plots".

Californian cherries - praise the lord ( anyone who knows me knows that a lightning bolt is about to strike me dead) we have US cherries in our stores at the moment and my cherry loving daughter (and me)cant get enough. They're cheaper than in December too so it's win-win. And of course they remind me of you guys.

Welcome Bryan.

Naked is back - welcome naked!!!

Jen-t - Pardise by the Dashboard Ligh. What a classic. Embarassingly had to call my parents-in-law to come gte us before DH and I were married because we flattened the battery looking for afore mentioned paradise ;-) It was a looong time ago.

BCB - I was waiting for the rest of the story. The bit where you drove the car over the edge and plunged into the Grand Canyon in a defiant act of sisterhood..pleased you didn't though.

Talking about writing sex scenes - I was writing mine the other day, the one the H&H finally decided they condescend to and a little turbo note popped on to my screen from my DH
"Whats for tea?"
"Leave me alone,"I type back. "I am very busy and important. Am almost to penetration. Do you think I should throw in some oral sex?"
"Nah, let him do her against the wall," he repies.
"They're camping in the outback,
I reply, "there are no walls, just a fire, the ground, a swag and fifty billion stars."
"Cut it," he replied, " you need a wall."
Such helpful creatures...

And dont worry about the arguing. Arguing is still communicating. It's the "oh fine" silences you need to be freaked about.

And finally because I know I've gone on too long - my ultimate image of the writer I want to be? Colin Firth in Love Actually when he goes to his little villa in Portugal, with a view of a lake. I almost cried in that scene -that is my ultimate "me" day"

Enough - I still haven't gotten to Bob's post.

lamejfac - lament, jenny. Fans ate cherries.

 
At 21/7/06 8:34 AM, bon cheri bomb said...

Tal wrote that MJ Putney wrote: “An RWA conference is 2000 introverts pretending to be extroverts.”

Well, she certainly has a way with words doesn't she? Perceptive even. Writes good books, too. But, seriously, the woman has no common sense. A jacket? In Atlanta? In July? Has she ever been there? I lived in Atlanta for 10 years and I'm telling you, this is not the most clever idea she's ever come up with.

Tal, are you sure you quoted that correctly? Maybe she said placket? No, that would be weird. Maybe she meant to say scarf or some other less expensive item. No?

Geez. So now I have to buy a jacket. Oh, excuse me, a "great" jacket. Not enough that I'm working overtime to afford those shoes (in TWO sizes, thank you MCB), now I have to put in more time so I can get the jacket. Meaning, of course, there will be no time left over to shop. Well, I'm sleeping badly anyway and it's usually a good idea to give up on things for which you have no talent. Sigh. Definitely going to have to be a black jacket to match the bags under my eyes.

Anything else I should know? What?! Saturday night is formal? What, like we have to speak Elizabethan English? Bow and scrape to our betters? What? Formal clothes? You have got to be kidding.

MCB, pssst, come on. You and I are going for a little ride in the car. No, it's ok, I forgive you, really. Yes I know you paid for the tire. And the paint job. It's ok. We're just going on a little trip to the bank. I'll wait in the car while you go inside. Here's a note -- all you have to do it hand it to the teller. No, this is not going to mess up your manicure. Geez. Really. Piece of cake.

Just, um, hurry. That conference thing is starting any minute now and I still have to pack.

bw

zuvav: zaza usually verifies all vacations -- that is what they're calling prison time these days, right?

 
At 21/7/06 12:28 PM, Anonymous said...

DUG ... a wall? Outback? How about the nice firm trunk of a Boab tree. Heh. One of my best sex scenes ever was in the outback ... well not one of mine ... one I wrote. (get your minds out of the gutter, yes you, you over there)

Saw your comment over there somwhere on volunteers and it reminded me I haven't received mine from RWA. I'll have to email today. Thanks. And no problems, I'll find you and share from the flask. (grin)
rg
rvpdt
Really Vera? Pretty darn tacky!

 
At 21/7/06 2:30 PM, naked under my clothes said...

Yes, downunder gal, I'm around, but I'm laying off the coleslaw for awhile. *urgh*

And I'm with robena -- trees are everywhere and so useful! The skinny ones can crack at opportune moments, too. Or what about some of those stunning rock formations we see in your country's travel brochures?

Of course, my most recent knowledge of your country comes from the Koala brothers -- you know, Frank and Bus-tah and their friend Ned the wombat.

What? Doesn't everybody watch CBC cartoons?

 
At 21/7/06 6:09 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

naked you're back. Do you really watch CBC cartoons? Where are you? Must be somewhere in Canada. I am in the Niagara Region. (oh gee, forgot to tell everyone that that was coming to dinner.)

downundergal you talk about stories that ruminate in your head. Have you ever written a book in your dreams? I do it all the time and when I wake up I think what a great story that was but that is all I can remember of it. If I come out of the dream I can't remember what I dreamed.

BTW DUG a tree works. /.)

rg go to next post. Urgent message for you.

red ktjebi

Killing temps Jenny everytime Bob irritates.


red vzcnjb

Visiting Zeus craves new Jenny & Bob (book).

 
At 21/7/06 6:49 PM, Anonymous said...

you know, Frank and Bus-tah and their friend Ned the wombat.
Oooh, Naked, love Ned.

But I also love Blinky Bill. A Koala that featured in several Aussie children's books.
rg
rbnoi
roben, oi, over here

 
At 21/7/06 7:50 PM, DownUnderGal said...

rg - we sent out the connfirmation letters last weekend. Did you give us a US addy or one here in Oz? Cos obvioulsy it'll take longer to get to you over there. But keep an eye out for it.

Thanks for all the sex against a tree advice. But they had mindblowing sex on a swag while a billion outback stars provided their very own fireworks display. But will keep the tree stuff in mind for future sex scene dilemmas.
One of our well know Oz writers - Emma Darcy, she writes for the sexy line, said on stage at a conference once that she gets really tired of writing sex scenes and trying to come up with new and wonderful ways for it to happen. She said - honestly soemtimes I just want to write "and then he f@#ked her" and be done with it. Two hundred women nearly choked on their hotel issue mints. Sure as hell shocked the blue rinse set, I can tell you.

rfloefx - a dodgy rolex

 
At 21/7/06 8:11 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

DUG: I have become complacent. For some unknown reason I had liquid in my mouth when I read your comment. Good thing it was only water.

bw

nydzvt: NY demilitarized zone (for) virgin trees

 
At 21/7/06 8:31 PM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

Scope Dope: that would explain the problem. Not to mention BCB asking directions in Spanish. ("Comprede el Scopo Dopo?") I TOLD her it should be the feminine la but she wouldn't listen!

DUG: Oh thanks for the laugh! But its food for thought, actually. I wonder, JENNY, if famous romance authors, JENNY, keep a log of different locales and such. You know, "oh that one's good, I'll use that one again." Or "much better in theory than in practice it, ditch this one."

 
At 21/7/06 8:42 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

MCB: I told you, that was French. We were in Canada where they sometimes speak French, just to irritate the rest of the world. Obviously, there were some translation problems between American HS French and Canadian Irritable French. Which is why the guy kept pointing to that park where they were walking all those dogs.

You want me to speak Spanish, we're going to have to go to Mexico. Oh, and won't that be an adventure. When should we leave?

bw

 
At 21/7/06 9:34 PM, DownUnderGal said...

Yes scope dope, I do sometimes dream books and plots and characters and conversations but you're right, they completely lose clarity by the time you're awake. I always keep a pen and paper in my bedisde draw for those moments. Because sometimes, if you're really quick and really lucky and the writing gods are shining on you, you can snatch a few pearls before the book completely sinks back into the abyss from which it came.
Have been known to turn the light on at 3am and jot things down. DH doesn't ask anymore.

omzedzt - an ancient meditation chant used by vampire monks.

 
At 21/7/06 9:45 PM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

BCB said ... there were some translation problems between American HS French and Canadian Irritable French. Which is why the guy kept pointing to that park where they were walking all those dogs.

le scooper dooper?

 
At 21/7/06 10:50 PM, talpianna said...

So, DownUnderGal, what WAS for tea?

qxvneu-- Quebec: eXotic venue, no English understood

 
At 21/7/06 10:53 PM, Maud Silver said...

I am a friend of Talpianna's. I know she posts on this blog regularly, so I was wondering if you had heard from her. I last got an e-mail from a place called the Bates Motel--in California, I believe. She was going to have a shower and a nap and then call me long distance; but I haven't heard from her since. Perhaps the power lines are down?

If anyone has any news of her, please let me know.

 
At 21/7/06 10:53 PM, naked under my clothes said...

Yup, scope dope, I'm in Canada -- northwestern Ontario. That's beyond Sudbury, jeez. Keep going. Drive another 12 hours or whatever it is. I'm near Thunder Bay.

But I am a recent transplant from the U.S. and one of my dreams this week was an effort to come up with a folk hero for Canada that's similar to Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett. I woke my DAlmostH by asking him, "Who's Corn?" That was what I'd named the hero in my dream pageant, which apparently was the re-enactment of a famous battle. In the pageant, children dressed as Americans (Revolutionary-era soldiers) shot popguns (the kind with the cork attached by a string) at a row of merlins (the birds, live ones) that were perched on the white clapboard siding of a school house. (The school house had a cupola with a bell and green trim.) Corn had a sidekick, which was an owl.

The problem is that I don't remember who Corn was or what he looked like. Or, you know, what he really did to be the folk hero.

OK, maybe that's not the only problem. Maybe I have others.

Speaking of adenoids (slick subject change), I love how Ned the Wombat calls Buster "Bus-tah." And how the Koala Brothers say, "We're here to help!" What a sweet community that is.

 
At 21/7/06 11:11 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

Naked BTW how do you like the contraction of your name? I used to live in Northern Ontario...Wawa. You know with the big goose at the entrance to the town, overlooking the Trans-Canada highway.

I loved it there. We were only there for two years but I had a great time. I was the local reporter for the bigger city's newspaper so I was busy, but we managed to have a good time there.

You ladies still are making me laugh. mcb and bcb keep it up. I love your renditions of what happened. "Le scooper dooper". LMAO

green toawdz

To organize all writers Doherty's (got) Zaza.



nope red sjhsct

Since joining his side, Crusie tantalizes.

 
At 21/7/06 11:33 PM, DownUnderGal said...

Gosh Tal, you had me thinking there. We had porcupines.
They're growing on the kids.

Oh BTW Maud's looking for you. Did you done go and forget her? This blog....way too distracting;-)

iyddeh - yiddish jedi

 
At 21/7/06 11:56 PM, Anonymous said...

rg - we sent out the connfirmation letters last weekend. Did you give us a US addy or one here in Oz? Cos obvioulsy it'll take longer to get to you over there. But keep an eye out for it.

Thanks DUG, it arrived today and I thought, "Damn, those bloody Aussie's are sending me more offers for their lottery." They do that periodically.
'Twas a nice surprise to find my ticket to the cocktail party and my registration package.

Roared laughing over Emma Darcy's comment. My auntie Dot would love her.

And Maud, last time I heard, Tal was praying for strange men to come and do her in. I think she's on the other post, waiting ...
rg

 
At 22/7/06 1:17 AM, talpianna said...

Naked--as for the Corn bit, I think you are channeling Hiawatha.

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=LonHiaw.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=5&division=div2

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=LonHiaw.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=14&division=div2

xmtjqy-- Xavier must tell Jenny, "Quit yacking!"

 
At 22/7/06 7:59 AM, naked under my clothes said...

Talpianna, one summer my father read the whole of Hiawatha to us because there we were, "by the shores of Gitchee Gumee." Holy cow. He reads aloud well (he's of a generation that learned the skill) but the dactyls in tetrameter (DUH duh DUH duh DUH duh DUH duh) put my sister to sleep within minutes every time.

This happened recently. She was, um, 50ish.

It's a beautiful part of the world up here, no doubt. Everyone should come spend tourism dollars.

 
At 22/7/06 12:40 PM, Anonymous said...

Hey, has anyone read, The Shadows of the Wind, by Carlos Ruiz Zafon?
Did you like it? Would you recommend it?

I'm looking for a book to take with me to Nationals and twice in the last week someone has mentioned reading this one. I want something that will last a few days, nothing like a Crusie that will keep me up reading all night and then I'll forget my name when I go for my editor/agent appointments. (grin)
rg
qpgaqy
quick people gage answers, quip, why?

 
At 22/7/06 1:05 PM, Cherry Magic Sheryl said...

RG - with all the free books you get at conference, you want to pack one to take with you?? I never have enough room in my suitcase coming home.

I just finished 12 Sharp, the latest Stephanie Plum. She's back on track with this one.

Just started My Favorite Witch by Annette Blair. I should be revising my own wip :heavy sigh:

 
At 24/7/06 3:46 AM, orangehands said...

Jenny: you sound like me. i keep a notebook and pen with me in my purse, my car, about 12 in my bedroom, when i sit down to watch TV, when i go to the movies...i wrote with pen ink and pencil and marker and scratches with my nail and once blood but that was more a joke (you had to be there). that's true writing- writing because if you don't you can't functon, you have to, it's in your blood. it's in my blood, even if i never sold a MS, i would still write.

scope dope: one of the books i'm working on now (ok, haven't touched in a while, but it's on my piles) started i na dream. one i'm really working on was partly written in a dream. and yes, i too do the 3am turning o na light to get that one line down, because i never remember in the morning. dreams, yes. liners, no.

CMB said "There was a book once, I think it was one of NR's Irish trilogies where there's a writer and he says something like, people don't run around saying they could perform brain surgery, but everyone thinks they can write even though they've never done it."

heck yes. also like that in one of Susan Elizabeth Phillips- i hink it was called This Heart of Mine. woman wrote children's fiction and everyone was all "oh, i always wnated to do that" but they didn't because it's hard to make something safe and informative and entertaining for little ones. and big ones, actually.

an underage nun stripper? yuck. underage is gross. i expect better, Jenny and- well, Jenny. :)

mary stella: love that quote

lynn: listened to Meatloafd today. mom and dad and bro and me all love it.

cbell: CB love and hugs

DUG said "She said - honestly soemtimes I just want to write "and then he f@#ked her" and be done with it. Two hundred women nearly choked on their hotel issue mints. Sure as hell shocked the blue rinse set, I can tell you."

LMAO. oh geez. that was great.

welcome bryan and maud.

 
At 24/7/06 3:47 AM, orangehands said...

dang, too long again. oh well, you all are probably used to it by now.

glad your mom's doing better, zaza.

 

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