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Friday, August 04, 2006

HE WROTE: Everything Serves A Purpose

Perhaps I should have said Princess is tentatively back in. We shall see. Everything in a book has to serve a purpose. Even better, multiple purposes. So if Princess is in the opening scene for Shane, that would, of course, mean that would not be her only appearance in the book. I can’t tell too much more because then it would give away too much of the work in progress.

Watched a very interesting movie last night. CACHE, which is in French with subtitles (in French it means hidden). That’s the extent of my French. Oui. In Special Forces a cache was something we hid to be used later. Like ammunition or weapons. It was a very precise operation. Usually a French movie means there has to be at least one scene of a man on a bicycle with a bacquet riding mournfully in circles around a fountain. There was a man on a bicycle but he did not have a bacquet. It had a brilliant idea at the core and what’s even better was it didn’t ‘explain’ things. There were scenes where you had to actually figure out what had happened. Most particularly at the end where the movie just sort of, well, ends. It’s never really pointed out to you who was doing this thing to the family that was at the core of the movie. Here’s the thing that was done to them: someone simply hid and videotaped them.

There were also scenes where you had to figure out what was going on from gestures and from visuals. For example, the wife is with a male friend in a café crying because her husband had lied to her about who he suspected was sending them these videotapes of the outside of their apartment and the house where the father grew up in. She says she has to get back to the apartment and the friend looks at his watch and says, well, not so soon, perhaps. And then it’s night and she’s back in the apartment. What do you think they were doing? No one ever shows it or says it, but then the son disappears for an entire night, telling no one where he is and the parents are frantic. Well he finally shows up the next day after spending the night at a friends and is cold to the mother. And it never occurs to either of the parents, and it is never shown or said, but don’t you think whoever was videoing the house, videoed the mother with the ‘friend’ in the café and sent the tape to the son? It’s the only thing that explains his abrupt change in behavior and what he says.

Also, there is an Eminem poster prominently displayed in the son’s room all the time. I know he’s not popular with many people but if you know anything about him, he’s literally, no pun intended, the poster child for kids and even adults who are victims of child-hood abuse. For some reason they love his music. So what does that say about the family? Again, nothing is ever made of that poster except it being displayed.

Anyway, I’m off on a tangent, but it was an extremely disturbing movie. Maybe because it was about broken people being shown they were broken and that’s what my book, CHASING THE DEAD is about in terms of character, except in CACHE, (spoiler alert) at the end, the father, simply takes two sleeping pills and goes to bed. Of course, taking the not explaining thing a step further, it can also be considered a very confusing movie. Like MEMENTO, which you either love or you hate.

Anyway. Back to Agnes. Poor Joey the Gent. Everyone’s after him. But Shane isn’t feeling too hot himself because he’s keeping a secret from Agnes. But then again, Agnes hasn’t totally leveled with Shane. And Joey is keeping the biggest secret of all. Well, maybe not. There’s someone there with a whopper. But to top it all off, none of them really knows what happened thirty years ago, the night of the Little Train Robbery. Let me look at my high speed Excel spreadsheet. Does the Don’s consigliore arrive today (today being today in the book, not today, today)? Nope, dang, he comes in tomorrow because we got a lot going on today, such as Four Wheels Thibault showing up and tonight Hit Man #1. Agnes got a lot coming at her. Back to writing.

326 Comments:

At 4/8/06 10:00 AM, Bryan said...

Sounds like an interesting movie, Bob. I like movies that allow the viewer to say "Huh?" every now and then. Too many movies play to the lowest common demoninator.

Am I in time to be first on a virgin entry?

 
At 4/8/06 10:08 AM, mcb said...

The GAM pronounced from on high ... because then it would give away too much of the work in progress.
~~~~~~~~

And this would be a problem because?

And yes, Bryan, you can have this one.

 
At 4/8/06 10:24 AM, mcb said...

*sigh* Okay I went back and read the rest of the blog. I still don't understand why you think you could possibly give us too much information. We are people who re-read DLD multiple times. Knowing what happens doesn't interfere for us at all.

Movies. I probably wouldn't much like CACHE because it sounds like a downer and I try to avoid those. But I agree that the best movies are ones where they don't hit you over the head with information. I also agree that movies today play to the lowest common denominator. There is no set up anymore. You don't need to follow along because the director won't let you miss anything. He'll smack you in the face with it accompanied by really loud noise to get your attention.

On the subject of everything in a book serving a purpose, I agree. And its true for movies too. Another issue I have is gratuitous scenes. Violence, YEX, stupid pratfalls ... all of which have nothing to do with the real story but directors feel such scenes are expected even when they don't belong. They serve no purpose and should be left out.

 
At 4/8/06 10:28 AM, Lori said...

I FINALLY get through my list of movies from here (His Girl Friday- love, love, loved it. The Women- appreciated the goals, loved the clothes, but won’t ever watch it again. Passion Fish- interesting. Double Indemnity- enjoyed more than I thought I would. W&G: Curse of the Were-Rabbit- delightful as expected. Wait...W&G was one of Jenny's other blogs...Oh, well.) and Bob HAS to mention another one. (Two actually but put me in the love column of Memento.) Off to find Cache now.

sjbxbmy: So Jenny, Bob eXists but might you?

 
At 4/8/06 10:47 AM, Cbell said...

Princess is in, then she's out. Then she's back in, and maybe eating missing cole slaw, then she's back out. Or maybe she's not completely out but maybe she is.

Writers... geesh...

 
At 4/8/06 10:50 AM, Jen-t said...

From Princess J - Huh? Okay, not going to watch that movie, sorry Bob, usually your movie tips (the ones you recommend) are pretty good, but that one just doesn't do it for me.

Now, I need to clarify something here. Bob and Jenny said that Princess was back (for now) and something about a stripper nun (which is in previous posts), which I assumed (stupid on my part) had something to do with the Bachlor party. With that said, there was something mentioned in the YEC talk about about this stripper nun person. Now, honestly, because Jenny always interupts Bob (which is a good thing) because sometimes he just talks too dang fast, that I just didn't get it all. And, again, I don't want to give you mis, or faulse information because, it might change, and you know, I'm getting older and my hearing is going and well, I was in the same room with Bob and Jenny, and that does something to your brain because they are so amazing that you sit there like, wow, I'm with Bob and Jenny, so weird things happen to you and well you turn into a Princess!

Ah, I like being a princess. My older sister has always accused me of being a spoiled rotten little brat, I guess princess works well. I think I'll go buy myself a pink T-Shirt now, with a corset (that was for you Bryan, not go take that picture of yourself!).

With my luck, Princess with get shot near the middle of the book (her second appearence) then Jenny will cut her all together - Ahhh, the pitfalls of being a princess.

 
At 4/8/06 11:02 AM, Bryan said...

jen-t,

If you post a picture of yourself in a pink t and corset, I will definitely post a picture of me (one that is actually recognizable as me, too).

ypjrg - You pray, jen-t, real good.

 
At 4/8/06 11:05 AM, glamour-geek said...

Jen-T: when you are so famous that it's time to write an autobiography, you can call it The Princess and the Shark.

 
At 4/8/06 11:15 AM, Lori said...

I'm #25 on the request list for Cache. Bob has quite the influence around here it seems.

I have been waiting very patiently all week. Now it's Friday, and I have still heard nothing about a Certain Someone strutting around in brand new mocha suede yet. *starting to tap Old Navy cherry flip-flog adorned foot*

oghfnv: Oh good! He found new vagrant.

 
At 4/8/06 11:24 AM, Jen-t said...

Bryan - In your dreams!

GG - PRINCESS AND THE SHARK- hmmmm, that's kind of cute. I like it.

Okay, freaking out a little bit over here. Got a call from our daughter this morning because she's all upset they trainer at her hockey camp won't let her play because, well, she suffered a mild concussion in last nights game. While my DH is on the phone with her, in tears, the Trainer calls the house phone to inform us of what happened and that they are treating it as mild concussion (no contact hockey for 7 days) and they want to take her in for a full exam with the doctor.

I guess she was a little off when she came to the bench after her shift, went to take a sip of water and missed her mouth completely. The coach said she didn't seem "right" and pulled her. Later she complained of headache, but said she was fine. She never complaines. This morning the trainer checked her over and assures us she appears fine, but she still complained of a slight head ache. Better safe than sorry. She's already had one concussion. Anyway, I'm stressing because I want to be there. I'm going tomorrow anyway, but wondering if I should go up a day early or not. Both my DH and I spoke with her and she really seems fine, other than she doesn't understand why they won't let her play.

So, if I disappear for a few days, it's not that I've run off with some Prince or something. Just left early for NH.

Party on...

 
At 4/8/06 11:43 AM, Louis said...

I'm more confused than ever...Is the Princess in or out?

That movie sounds like one that I wouldn't even consider watching.

JenT...go early and ease your mind.

dufdd green

did u find DD (OK)

zat blogger

quezaq green

quite unusual every zap and quote

 
At 4/8/06 11:48 AM, Anonymous said...

Gosh J-T hope DD is fine. I'm sure she will be but it's best to check these things out fully. Have a safe trip to NH.

Bob. Two posts in two days. Whoo hoo!!!Cache, not gonna watch it. I'd have to think too much.

Baquet ... I think that's an elongated loaf of bread used for the French version of tennis. Now a nice baguette on the other hand, a little Brie cheese, some grapes and thou ...

Speaking of such things the only French you know is oui? You don't know the very polite, overly polite, somewhat cheesy pick up line?
"Voulez vous coucher avec moi ce soir." Loosely translated it means "Would you sleep with me tonight? Or in Aussie "How's about it sheila?" Of course that's where your French comes in handy, "Oiu" is the answer Deb should give if you whisper softly in her ear.

So Princess is in, not in, might be in ... guess we have to wait and buy the book. Have fun writing.I'm going back to my WIP to masculinize my hero.
rg
acdjrd
a cute dog just ran downstairs

 
At 4/8/06 11:51 AM, Bryan said...

jen-t said: "Bryan - In your dreams!"

Ooh! Now there's a thought. I'm off to take a nap.

Seriously though... no, really, I was kidding about the pink t... seriously, go see your daughter. I got a concussion my senior year in high school, and while you don't really feel like you're hurt... you're "off" somehow.

I wound up getting a CAT scan because my toes went the wrong direction or something... parents were freaking out more than I was... but then again, I had a concussion and things were "off" somehow.

 
At 4/8/06 11:51 AM, RSS said...

Jen-T hope your DD is okay and that you guys have a good visit

Cleaning house, refereeing (?sp)young boys, redesigning kitchen and trying to fit in revisions so might not be visible for awhile tho I will be lurking to keep up on posts and get my daily allowance of laughter. You guys rock.

Not commenting on Bob's post because haven't seen any of the movies and I'm glad he's keeping secrets about the book because I like being surprised. Running from the rotten cabbages and overripe tomatoes being thrown by angry CB's now.

 
At 4/8/06 11:57 AM, mcb said...

Louis - Princess of the tight pink t-shirt is, apparently, tentatively back in the book.

The other Princess is on her way out. Inspite of all those words she cobbled together SHE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING !


Lori muttered ...I have still heard nothing about a Certain Someone strutting around in brand new mocha suede yet. *starting to tap Old Navy cherry flip-flog adorned foot*

LOL!! Soooo sorry! Actually today is the first that I have worn them. Its been so horribly hot I haven't put anything on my feet that was more than a few flimsy straps.

Ahem ... THEY'RE BOOOOTIIIFUUUUL!!! The suede is soft as a baby's butt. They are a bit tight yet, but then they are getting their first wear. once the elastic goring on the side starts to give they'll be perfect. Actually they don't quite go with the cream slacks I'm wearing today - really more appropriate for jeans - but I couldn't wait to wear them.

 
At 4/8/06 12:06 PM, Diane said...

Jen-T: I, too, hope that all is well with your daughter. I'm sure you'll feel better once you see her. Kids do not have a good understanding of restrictions for precautionary reasons (of course, I'm not quite sure what one does at hockey camp if one isn't allowed to play - are there drills one can do alone, or something?).

Rss - we would NEVER throw rotten cabbages or overripe tomatoes! And civil disagreement certainly doesn't merit the spike-heel-of-death. Best wishes with the multitudinous tasks!

RG: good luck in adding (endogenous) testosterone to your hero, while avoiding cliché. Perhaps when he is not working professionally, he can walk around with his shirt off (or labor in the yard ditto). It's manly and improves the scenery!

diksdjd: Dessert indicates kind, sensitive diners just delighted

 
At 4/8/06 12:17 PM, resting cb said...

There is a soap opera which I haven't watched in years, but I occasionally catch the "what happened this week" column in the paper. Even though I recognize many of the names I really can't tell what's going on. It almost, but not quite, makes me want to watch and find out. This post makes me feel the same way. I recognize the names but can't tell what's going on. The difference is - I can't wait to read Agnes. Thanks Bob.

jsdhh Jenny said "Don't hit him (that's my job)"

 
At 4/8/06 12:21 PM, mcb said...

Jen - You know you'll feel better if you go early. While I am sure she is absolutely fine, you should never ignore that mother's instinct. Kudos to the coach for the eagle eye too.

RSS - you're just stronger than the rest of us. Me, I kept reading and re-reading the Coleslaw and Princess excerpts even though I knew they were out of the book. I didn't care. I'm a printed word junkie.

But I love the bits that Bob feeds us now and again. It sounds like this one is going to have a lot of fun stuff going on and multiple subplots. Can't wait!

 
At 4/8/06 12:28 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

bob likes us. He really likes us. He wrote to posts in two days because we put so many comments on the last one he couldn't read it anymore and he wants to be able to see what we are saying. I am certain of it.

No way am I going to rent, borrow, steal or pay for that movie. Sounds too depressing for me.

jen-t get your fanny to N.H. You know you won't relax until you see DD for yourself. Get her thoroughly checked out, especially if she has had a concussion before. All the best to her, sweetheart.

blue hddnbc

Heard DD needed best (wishes from ) cherry bombs.

 
At 4/8/06 12:43 PM, Conscripted Cherry said...

Jen-T- hope you're not reading this because you've already left for NH- you know going will make you and DH feel better, and contrary to how grown up she feels, it's always better to have your mommy around when the world is off its axis.

I have tons of stuffed moved to the new house, unfortunately I have tons of stuff still at the old apartment. I'm still trying to figure out where all this stuff came from. Oh well, off to pack and move some more.

 
At 4/8/06 1:37 PM, Anonymous said...

what the hell is a bacquet?

 
At 4/8/06 1:47 PM, mcb said...

Anonymous said...
what the hell is a bacquet?

Wild guess here, but maybe a cross between a bat and a racquet. Probably used to play extreme tennis. Why a Frenchman would carry one around on his bike I couldn't tell you.

 
At 4/8/06 1:51 PM, Anonymous said...

Jen-T: a concussion, yikes, hope that your daughter is 100% fine! Can't say that I know what it's like to worry about a child, but I do know what it's like to want your mom around when you're hurt or sick. She'll be so happy to see you, I'm sure.

I'm not sure if I've ever had a concussion (that sounds weird), but I have had stiches in my head twice. (I like to think the second time knocked everything right.) The day after the first head knock from running into the corner of the wall, I fell down the attic stairs. My mom's still not sure if I fainted or if my older sister pushed me. I was only around 4 at the time, so I have no recollection.

Yes, I was the child most prone to causing my parents grey hairs due to self injury.

At any rate, have a safe drive up to see your daughter, Jen-T!

Theresa in Pgh

 
At 4/8/06 2:00 PM, Jen-t said...

Update - Just got off the phone with DD - she's at the hospital, they are doing a CT scan just to make sure everything is okay. I can tell she's a little scared and I'm dying because I'm about 6 hours away. They did a basic exam, and she seems fine, but I can't stand it. The car is packed, I'm dropping the boys off at a friends house and I'm out the door.

See you all on Monday.

 
At 4/8/06 2:07 PM, mcb said...

Jen - you are on your way, I realize, but wanted to post here that all our thoughts will be with you and for Pete's sake - DRIVE CAREFULLY.

 
At 4/8/06 2:11 PM, Deb said...

Bob: Mob funerals could be a fun scene to write as well as the Bachelor/ette party. I thought since killing characters is your part of your writing charm, and in case you needed authenticity to a mob funeral, the viewing conversation is a wee bit different.

During a non-mob viewing, a guest usually points out how good the dead guy looks. Not so with a mob viewing. A mob viewer points out “Didn’t (insert mob funeral director name here) do a good job”. That would be in reference to the fine job of plugging the bullets holes.

I am not making this up. A friend’s distant family did carry “Chicago typewriters”. He attended a few of the funerals and heard comments of this nature.

Haven’t a clue why I thought of this now, but thought I’d share.

 
At 4/8/06 2:11 PM, btuda said...

Jen-T: I hope everything goes well with your DD too. I'm just now learning how scary it can be. My 10 year-old stepson has given me several near heart attacks and I know it is only going to get more adventurous as he continues to play sports and *gasp* learn to drive. Drive safe.

Movies: My minor in college was Comparative Literature - Film Studies. Yes, while my roommates were slaving over the conjugation of French verbs, Freud and physics, I was watching Jaws, Abbott and Costello, and Singing in the Rain on Tuesday nights. Love His Girl Friday. I'm tempted to check out Cache as long as it isn't anything like any of the Ingmar Bergman movies. (An entire semester of only Bergman movies -- learned it wasn't for me *shudder*).

Of course, my DH won't have anything to do with it and I'll have to watch it by myself. He's more of a drive-really-fast and watch-things-blow-up kind of movie guy. Definitely a Die Hard and Lethal Weapon kind of guy.

Is it just me or are a lot of my favorite male movie stars from when I was growing up (I'm definitely an '80s child) are getting odd, ickie and just plain bizarre?

xflow: the new energy drink from the makers of Xbox

qdtkkjk: Quiet, don't think kicking kayaks justifies kudos.

(I think I just amazed myself with that one.)

 
At 4/8/06 2:33 PM, orangehands said...

wow. i thought i was dreaming when i first saw this. way to go Bob. write on.

Momento was kind of cool, but i'm not planning to see Cache. i'll tell my brother about it though- he loved Momento.

Princess J: hope DD is ok. drive safe and all that and be careful. compliment the coach's quick eye, because most of the ones i had didn't have the eye. (or the coaching skill, but that's a different story).

 
At 4/8/06 3:36 PM, Conscripted Cherry said...

a totally off topic vent- I had four friends lined up to help me move with special emphasis on being here at 8:00 this morning- I was even paying the teenagers for their time and smart mouths- It's 1:30 in teh afternoon and I haven't heard from any of them- I don't know if I'm more worried or &*(#&#($ at them right now- okay, off to pack more and move more, at least it's only 90 degrees (that's 32 degrees for DUG) today, not 105 like last week.

 
At 4/8/06 3:56 PM, ZaZa said...

Jen-T, I second what Bryan said. I, too, have had a concussion, and you just feel weird. Also, you get tired easily, and your balance is off. Definitely not a time for active sports.



Bob said...
Usually a French movie means there has to be at least one scene of a man on a bicycle with a bacquet riding mournfully in circles around a fountain.

Very Hitchcockian from our pov, but, of course, he wasn't a native American. Also, in the Pink Panther, they took that cliche and wrung the heck out of it. So funny.

But bacquet, Bob? Do you have some kind of religious aversion to using a dictionary??? Baguette, as someone else said.

AND...
It had a brilliant idea at the core and what’s even better was it didn’t ‘explain’ things. There were scenes where you had to actually figure out what had happened. Most particularly at the end where the movie just sort of, well, ends.

That's what I love about French films. I used to see a ton of "foreign" films, and loved many of them, but, so far, I've never seen a French film I didn't love. They're so spare, both in letting you think/figure it out for yourself, and in their visuals. You can watch them a dozen times and come away with something new each time. A scene in a kitchen, for example, tells you a huge amount just by the way the room is set up and the contents of the (open) cupboards.

I loved Memento for the same reason. There was so much there. After even three viewings you were only scratching the surface. Yet, the story was complete enough to be satisfying after only one. The same is true of a well-written book - you keep dipping in and finding new treasures and hidden meanings.

GLAMOUR GEEK, speaking of foreign films, just saw a flyer for the Carneros Film Festival or something like that. This is a little late, but tonight at roughly 6:30, at the Roche Winery Barrel Room, they will be showing Tango a Strange Turn. It's an Argentine film. They're apparently going to have tango lessons and dancing, too. Sorry, it's such short notice, but I just saw the flyer this morning.

bpzvop (green)
Bob patted Zoe with one paw. LOL! Hey, it just came out that way.

 
At 4/8/06 4:17 PM, Bryan said...

zaza said: "I second what Bryan said."

For a second there I thought you were having visions of pink t's and corsets... then I realized we were talking about concussions.

bryngam -- I don't know guys, I'm struggling with this one.

 
At 4/8/06 4:24 PM, glamour-geek said...

zaza: Thank you so much for thinking of me! I don't think I'll go, but I've written down the name of the film. Oddly, it's not on the Bay Area Argentine Tango Assoc's. website. *shrug* But it is fun to dance (and watch dancing) outdoors in Buenos Aires.

I'm vaguely thinking of starting to learn a new dance. Something over a year ago the folks at our alternative milonga (which plays traditional tango, the hybrid techno-tango--yes, there is such a thing, go look up Bajofondo Tango Club and Gotan Project, among others, if you're curious-- and anything else they think you might possibly be able to tango to (Prince, Journey, SoftCell, a lot of blues, The Squirrel Nut Zippers, Jefferson Airplane, Beatles, The Doors--I'm not making this up! I have danced tango to Yellow Submarine!)) had the blues dancers in to give a demo. I had no idea there was something called Blues Dancing. Of course, their activities are Friday nights, when I'm usually climbing or otherwise engaged or else too ill to go anywhere which is why I'm not climbing or otherwise engaged. So I'm considering going tonight. If I can stay awake. It looks like an amazingly hot, sexy dance and I love blues music so...

Otherwise I'm going to re-polish my toenails. I'm getting a bit tired of Jessica Nail's VIP Room and the rest of the weekend looks outlandishly busy.

 
At 4/8/06 4:36 PM, Patrice said...

Okay, so Bob claims to be working at his computer, writing the tantalizing tale of Agnes and the hitman and the dimwitted but supposedly endearing Princess and the woes of the mob, but I suspect he may be riding a bicycle around a fountain, wearing a forlorn expression and, you know, a baguette.

Like this blog, it's mesmerizing. I can't look away.

 
At 4/8/06 5:02 PM, ZaZa said...

Bryan said...
bryngam -- I don't know guys, I'm struggling with this one.

That's what you said when Tal threatened you with corset wearing moles: "bryngam on!"


and my punishment:
amyjbfa (blue)
Amy joined boyfriend Al Hah!

 
At 4/8/06 5:07 PM, ZaZa said...

Oops, forgot about this. Rss, was it?, mentioned contests? Here's one, if you've got something ready to go or can pull it together by tomorrow:

http://www.romance-ffp.com/

They've got too few entries in four fo seven categories and are in danger of cancelling them. The list of the needy categories on at that link, and there's a link to the rules and guidelines on that page.

I've got two things that would fit two of their orphan categories, if I can pull them together that fast. I don't have synopses for either of them. The fifteen pages isn't a problem, but I hate writing synopses. Yeah, yeah. I know almost everyone does. ;+)

If I'd been online as usual, I could have passed that on and put my package together nearly a week ago. Sigh.

mmikyxiv
merry maids in kilts yx'd in Vegas

 
At 4/8/06 5:09 PM, mcb said...

ZaZa said...
Bryan said...
bryngam -- I don't know guys, I'm struggling with this one.

That's what you said when Tal threatened you with corset wearing moles: "bryngam on!"
~~~~~

I thought he was bragging ... "Bryan, GAM" Bryan, you can't nominate yourself.

 
At 4/8/06 5:51 PM, Bryan said...

mcb,

Moi?

:: blink, blink ::

okay here's a real one - kebkvexb - keeping every blue kitten's virtual existance binary.

 
At 4/8/06 6:01 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

CC: Do you suppose Bob is suggesting you put a weapons cache in your wall? In case the Hole in the Wall Gang happens to stop by someday?

Sorry your help didn't show up. Maybe they heard about the cache.

bw

zcbvpp: zee cb's (are) very pretty princesses (or princes, I guess)

 
At 4/8/06 6:06 PM, Conscripted Cherry said...

A weapons cache? I like that idea. Waterguns and fireworks are obvious choices. I wonder what else I could add.

SPOAD- the toad spelling contest

 
At 4/8/06 6:08 PM, glamour-geek said...

Nerf machine guns are a lot of fun. And make excellent gifts for the 20- and 30-something crowd.

 
At 4/8/06 6:24 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

CC: Be sure to add a rope of some kind. Very effective weapon and, in the right circumstances, doubles as entertainment. [grin]

Just talked to Jen, she's about halfway there and sounding calmer. I'm tempted to make something up that will get her going when she comes back and reads this, but geez, I have kids too. It's not fun when they're hurt, even when they're really ok. She said to tell everyone that DD is fine and thanks for the concern.

The hospital may decide to keep Jen overnight for observation, delusions of grandeur and all that, but DD can probably be released.

bw

 
At 4/8/06 6:43 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

Bob wrote: ...the son disappears for an entire night, telling no one where he is and the parents are frantic. Well he finally shows up the next day after spending the night at a friends and is cold to the mother.//...//It’s the only thing that explains his abrupt change in behavior and what he says.

Bob, you must not spend much time around teenagers. Maybe the French are different (well, of course they are) but here in America just about anything, even nothing, can cause this reaction in a teenager. As a matter of fact, a parent starts to worry when there are no abrupt changes in behavior.

And WTH? A high speed Excel spreadsheet? Are you sure? Jenny, what have you been telling him?

bw

pebss: Princess endures, Bob said so

 
At 4/8/06 7:20 PM, talpianna said...

Bob: I suspect the title of your movie was CACHÉ, the past participle of the verb cacher, to hide.

And if that guy on the bicycle had one of those long thin loaves of bread, it's a baguette. Unless, of course, it's a branch that fell off the tree on his head.

See, I don't just do Latin. (Plus, I used to live in France.)

I just looked it up on IMDb. I was right about the title: Here are a couple of reviewers' comments:

Haneke is not just interested in creating a thriller however and the auteur expertly dissects George and Annes bourgeois life and implicates them both in the treatment by western culture of the east and the third world.

Would Elizabeth Bishop approve?

This all leads to a moment so unexpected, so violent and so shocking that it resulted in one of the most incredible reactions I've ever experienced in a cinema - a collective gasp of disbelief mingled with a few screams of horror.

Bob somehow managed to leave out that bit....

yioiqrzv -- Yi! Oi! Quick, Robert! Zap victims!

 
At 4/8/06 7:37 PM, GatorPerson said...

Memento is excellent, although somewhat dizzying!

Existence, B-Boy! Nyah! Oooh, I'm so mean!

One night DD#1 didn't and didn't come in. DD#2 was in bed asleep. Called the police. They came, commiserating, and saying they'll try searching the area to find her. DD#2 stumbles downstairs. Oh yeah, she says, DD#1 is a block away at the school talking with a boy. They didn't want to disturb M&D! Halleluiahs, gnashings of teeth, mortifications, snatchings of baldheadedness. Yeah, all in a mother's day of motherhoodedness! But, I wouldn't give it up for anything. Bob just doesn't know. I guess no one calls him Mom.

ewcov: EveryWhere Culverts OverVlow (Yup, we just had a gullywasher.)

 
At 4/8/06 7:40 PM, talpianna said...

From now on, all CherryBombs will address Bob as "Mom." I guess that makes Jenny our Daddy.

lwcjfx --Let's wait, CherryBombs: Jenny feels Xhausted.

 
At 4/8/06 8:07 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

So GAM = God Among Moms?

I don't know Tal, it just doesn't work for me. Of course, I've never been comfortable with the whole "mom and dad" description of Him and Her -- since I'm so much more mature than most of you. Ok, stop laughing. Older. I'm older, ok? Still, I'm younger than Jenny. Who is apparently soooo old she needs an entire week to recover from a little partying with her friends. Hmph.

Does Bob have any progeny? I don't believe we have enough information on this subject. That won't stop us, though, will it? We'll just make something up. Father to squirrels everywhere. Tal, maybe he'll agree to adopt your moles?

bw

 
At 4/8/06 8:22 PM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

Dearest BCB - I think the only one of us who has admitted her age so far is OH ... and ya know that doesn't really count. I have the idea we are all in the same general age range. At least that's the impression I get from conversations.

 
At 4/8/06 8:38 PM, DownUnderGal said...

Have seen a few French Films. I'm a big fan of Before Sunrise and also After Sunset... er no hang on, think I may have that around the wrong way. Anyway Ethan Hawke and Julie Delpy. Same characters, two films made about 7 years apart. Actually strictly speaking, not French films as in sub titles but set in Paris with that beautiful richness and a great script - just two people talking for an hour and a half. Fantastic. Not sure which one I liked best. The second one I think even though Ethan Hawke is looking a little worse for wear in it. Great sexual tension it it too.
Glad to hear Agnes is bubbling along.

Jen-t, I know you're not here and not reading this but thinking of you and DD.

utiiz - french past participle verb

 
At 4/8/06 9:36 PM, Mary said...

anonymous said...
what the hell is a bacquet?


Clearly, it is the opposite of a front-ette. Sheesh.

 
At 4/8/06 9:49 PM, talpianna said...

I believe I made much of the fact when I turned 64, and the Tigress is a year older than I am!

vzeteir -- Voyez! Ze Talpianna est idealement ravissante!

 
At 4/8/06 10:42 PM, orangehands said...

MCB: i got that impression too. there's a few CBs in their mid to late 30's...and then the rest of you are OLD. i mean, you saw the first Ice Age, you were there when they invented fire, you actually experienced evolution, old.

go i get to call you guys geezers now?

this must be why tal can garner support for her cause to throw me into fires. my big mouth.

just think. you guys are so fascinating you hooked a bratty, know-it-all (though mind you genius) teenager into spending hours a day posting with you. pretty good for a bunch of old ladies and two guys.

dilavm: don't, in life, avoid vicious members.

 
At 4/8/06 10:42 PM, orangehands said...

*OH runs screaming from the mob of CBs*

 
At 4/8/06 10:51 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

orangehands I am about to make your dreams come true. go to your email in about ten minutes. /,D

I, my dear, am 65 so i am older than dirt...and talpianna. So there.


red ylawks

Yex likely alarms writers (who are) killing suspects.

 
At 4/8/06 10:52 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

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At 4/8/06 11:26 PM, Cora said...

A little correction: Caché is not really a French film, it an Austrian film by an Austrian director with French dialogue.

 
At 4/8/06 11:31 PM, Louis said...

Ladies, Ladies...you all age delightfully.

I won't mention the couple of years past eighty that I am.

I'm still an olde f***

oerosb red

older every Robert or she becomes

 
At 5/8/06 12:09 AM, Leslie said...

The movie doesn't end with the sleeping pills, but with a meeting in the schoolyard as the credits roll. You saw that, right? Because it *really* throws a wrench into whatever theory the viewer has developed.

 
At 5/8/06 12:16 AM, Lori said...

OH: I don't know if the six years difference in our ages qualifies me as a-- what was that again...oh yes-- "geezer."

However, I will proudly wear the Geezer Badge if it allows me to mingle amongst great people like Tal, AgTigress, Louis, Scope Dope, etc. in your mind.

lsfxam: Lori sweet-talks(by) 'fessing eXtreme adoration merrily.

PS: Being called a geezer reminds me of Grandpa in Going Postal.

PPS: McB-- Shoe satisfaction...there's nothing like it. Thank you for sharing.

 
At 5/8/06 12:53 AM, Anonymous said...

I just watched the most amazing geezer film tonight (not for geezer's like Bob but more for the ladies) and I cried into my wine. This might be the alcohol talking *grin* but Ladies in Lavender was amazing.
I've always admired the work of Dame Judi Dench and Maggie Smith, and young Daniel Bruhl was adorable.
This was a great character study, in addition to wonderful setting and cinematography, pre-war era in England. The ladies didn't have to speak a word their facial expressions told so much. And Judi Dench's role as Ursula, the sister who saw the young man and yearned for the life not lived was so touching, so poignant. Seriously, don't watch this movie with a guy.
And the music, if you appreciate classical music, the violin concertos are to die for. I'm so glad my friend insisted I watch it and gave me the movie. It was never on my list of must sees as I imagined it might be a bit boring. It wasn't.
A five hanky, at least for me.
rg
ruiktcr, a doctors cousin

 
At 5/8/06 1:05 AM, Jen-t said...

Update - Got into NH around 9:30, record time. Of course BCB made the trip go a little better when she called me. I tell you, this is the best dang little blogging community around. Thanks BCB - that really made my day. Love you guys. Anyway, all the well wishes must have helped because my DD is just fine. They basically gave her a clean bill of health. No contact until Monday, but then she's back on the ice. Okay, so that freaks me out a bit, since I totally panicked on my way here thinking all sorts of bad thoughts.

Okay, I need sleep. I'm meeting dearest daughter for a 7:30 breakfast and I have drive like 45 mintues to get there!

 
At 5/8/06 1:15 AM, Nanaimo G said...

Well I guess I'm up there with Granma Mazur, older than Scopedope but younger than Louis, but then who isn't younger than Louis?
It just amazes me that y'all remember the same movies etc. that I do; but then I saw them the first time around.
I hope your daughter is OK JT It is scary when you ger a phone call like that, its been a while but I still remember the sick feeling inside.
Rg about your "hole in my arm" during ww11 I had an absess[sp] on my jaw it left me with a huge hole for years, but becuase it was wartime and many people had wounds/scars it didn't seem to matter.
I fell out of bed once and broke my arm when people asked what happened to me Duh I wasn't going to say I fell out of bed Not me I said
"my parachute didn't open in time, lucky I only broke my arm eh."

 
At 5/8/06 3:07 AM, orangehands said...

lori: great book. and about the six years...i did say there were a few youngsters like me....geez, now they have me speaking "old talk" :)

JJ: glad DD is ok.

rg: Maggie Smith? i'll watch it. i love that woman. she is so amazing. except for in the first three Harry Potter movies. everybody was terrible in those. but Maggie Smith is a legend.

n granny said "I fell out of bed once and broke my arm when people asked what happened to me Duh I wasn't going to say I fell out of bed Not me I said
"my parachute didn't open in time, lucky I only broke my arm eh.""

this is why i love the geezers on this site. LOL.

 
At 5/8/06 3:08 AM, orangehands said...

lori: thinking (i know, but i do it at times) about that discussion the group had awhile ago about appropriate ages for Jenny and was wondering when you started reading her. just curious.

 
At 5/8/06 5:20 AM, Erica said...

YAY!! Double score this week :D
Not only do I have my internet back, I also FINALLY got Don't Look Down!!!
I have to say, I was worried because I had HUGE expectations... But no need! It was GREAT!!!

Thankyou so much Bob and Jenny!

I can't wait for Agnes :D

 
At 5/8/06 5:22 AM, Erica said...

*sneaks off to read DLD again* :D

 
At 5/8/06 8:01 AM, DownUnderGal said...

Hey rg - email me privately and I'll give you my mobile for when you get to the Gold Coast. When are you arriving?

 
At 5/8/06 8:38 AM, RSS said...

JenT: so happy to hear your DD got a clean bill of health and that you made it to NH safely. I hope you have a good visit with her.

Zaza unfortunately I don't have any FFP books so can't enter that contest but thanks for the information.

I'm going to rent Ladies in Lavendar if they have it down here. It will give me something to do while the wild boys are playing video games this evening. At the moment I'm loading up on coffee so I can take them over to kayak. That should be interesting.

Sounds like we have a wide range of ages on this blog. That's one of the things that makes it such a good community. Wisdom and energy.

 
At 5/8/06 8:50 AM, phenila said...

Anonymous caught that little 'bacquet' thing. I loved the explanation that it was an elongated loaf of bread used in tennis....

Weird thing at work yesterday: I left to do the daily deposit. When i returned to the store, it was quiet, too quiet. I looked around for our new employee of three days. she wasn't there! Now I know she had a minor indiscretion, that she had to be counseled about. i went into the manager's office and asked: "You didn't fire her already?" To which the manager replied: "No, the assistant manager at our other location quit. so I sent her over there."
BLINK. new girl works for three days and gets a promotion?

hzkhy hazy zany kid has youth

 
At 5/8/06 9:02 AM, bon cheri bomb said...

MCB decreed: I have the idea we are all in the same general age range.

Well, yes, of course [nodding agreeably]. We're all in our mid-thirties, except those of us who are even younger.

I think we are all of an age in our minds and spirits. And we each seem to have that little bit of snark (yes, Louis, you too -- especially you) that will keep us young and laughing forever. If only I could transfer some of that youthful energy to my poor arthritic knees.

Welcome Cora! Nice to see another blogger from Germany. And where is colognegrl lately? Oh wait, I'm the one who's been gone. Has she been around lately? Geez. I've lost track.

Erica: You are just now getting DLD? Poor baby! Do you live way off a beaten sheep track where there are no bookstores? Hope we didn't spoil it too much with all the discussion.

You know, when people just pop up out of nowhere and say they've been reading all along (not Cora, well maybe Cora, but someone else recently said so) I wonder just how many lurkers are out there. And why the heck aren't they talking to us? We're very nice.

Ok. Roll call. Everyone who is lurking needs to step forward and say HI. Both of you. Just real quick. It won't hurt. Probably. We want a head count. You go first. Yes, YOU, over there in the corner. Step up.

bw

 
At 5/8/06 9:35 AM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

erica is in downundergal's neighbourhood, down under in the land of OZ. Good. Welcome erica, although I think you have been here before, right?

Welcome cora you ladies feel free to jump in any time. We have amazing conversations on here. /,D

zvmzte

Zounds. (During) virtual mayhem Zaza teleported everyone.

 
At 5/8/06 9:54 AM, bon cheri bomb said...

Inscrutable intractable lot, those lurkers. Geez. Issue a perfectly nice invitation to come out and play and they just ignore it.

Maybe they're both sleeping?

Invitation stands. If you don't believe me, you can certainly believe Scope Dope.

I'm going off to pout now. Not that my feelings are hurt or anything. [sniff]

bw

 
At 5/8/06 9:56 AM, Anonymous said...

Gooood morning! I'm feeling very chipper today. Love it when I sleep well.
J-T glad DD is well!
Erica - glad you finally got DLD
Phenilia - the work place is weird. You can work your butt off for years and somehow get overlooked. I'd approach the boss and ask why.
Louis - you reach an age where you can be proud of it but for now, I ain't saying *grin*
Naniamo - loved your stories of scars, I'm getting there. This is the first time in my life (since moving to the desert last year) that I've gone sleeveless and don't care. Maybe there is hope for me yet?

Have my submissions (first three chapters and synopsis) of Gone Tropical almost ready to go out, to agent and editor. I'm sending them prior to going to Aust. (on Monday, can't believe it's so close to leaving) where I'll work on the rest of the book. I'm doing some research and weaving through a little texture and setting in the chapters that feature the rainforest and Great Barrier Reef.

I've made my hero much stronger, his sentences are shorter, not exactly monosyllabic but almost, then as he warms up to the heroine he speaks more. That was the part where he'd suddenly gone all girlie *grin*
I have a scene where a snake (a big green python) gets into their cabin (they're undercover and pretending to be married) he's sleeping on the floor, she's in the bed. He has a deep dread of snakes and awakens to see it slithering by him. He freaks. She picks the snake up and takes it outside and releases it to nature (I have her set up as the Science geek, she used to walk around the lab with Lumpy the school snake around her neck.) It gives her (the psychologist) a reason to get the hero into her bed and to comfort him *grin*
Now here's my question, what might make him be so scared of snakes? Any ideas?
rg
sgldmcor A Scotsman assuring his buddy, It's all good McOr

 
At 5/8/06 10:04 AM, Jen-t said...

RSS - "Wisdom and Energy" That's either end, then you have me, the sagging middle, being of middle age.

No lurking aloud, or moot will get you, or maybe the sniper, or some stripping nun. Of course, don't forget the Princess, please, never forget the princess.

I love college's. I'm sitting in my car, watching squirrels, thinking of Bob (how scary), and waiting for my daughter to got watch my daughter's second on-ice practice of the day. I decided, since I have an hour, and the library doesn't open till ten, which is when her practice is, I'd pull out the old laptop and work on my WIP. Low and behold, wireless! I guess you can get it just about everywhere on the campus. So, instead of working, I'm hanging with you guys. See, I'm nice, you can't hate me anymore. No hating Princess Jen.

Time to go watch my babygirl play hockey. Hopefully I can do without having heart failure. As it is, I think I downed a half a bottle of tums yesterday.

This is it from me for a while. Have a good day.

 
At 5/8/06 10:07 AM, Jen-t said...

RG - Any good snake movies he could have watched as a kid that effected him like Jaws did me? PRINCESS JEN AND THE SHARK. That's gotta be a title somewhere.

My neighbors kid is terrified of snakes, but that's because he got bit by a gardner snake when he was like five, he's only 10 now, and he's totally terrified. But hopefully, he'll grow out of it.

 
At 5/8/06 10:08 AM, Mary said...

Y'see, RG, it was like this.

After a previous "mission" the hero had gone back to headquarters to be debriefed. Unbeknownst to him, the debriefer had put him into a hyponotic state and introduced an abnormal fear of snakes.

This was of course because the debriefer was interested in a dazzling woman named Angelica, who only had eyes for our hero. The plan was to spring a snake upon him when Angelica was around, and thus make the hero look unmanly and thus undesirable to Angelica.

Well, you didn't say "any good ideas" so I just threw out the first one that came to mind.

 
At 5/8/06 10:16 AM, bon cheri bomb said...

RG: Obviously, Mary is your hero's sister. She tormented him mercilessly as a child. He may never get over it. Will need excessive comforting. Sufficient?

Or did you want the R-rated explanation of this phobia? You see-- just a minute. What's that, Bob? Oh. Ok. Never mind.

bw

 
At 5/8/06 10:22 AM, GatorPerson said...

RG: This is truth! There seem to be 3 significant phobias: Snakes, spiders, and cats, in that order of frequency. These phobias don't need to be caused by anything that has happened. Once I read that this resides in the primitive brain, and it was speculated that person's ancestors developed the phobia as a protective mechanism. I am terrified of snakes, particularly dead ones, DH shivers at spiders, and so we cope.

OK. I thought that I was the oldest one by far, except for Louis. So I confess to a month away from 63. Hmmm, demographics reports may be skewed incorrectly for romance novels.

 
At 5/8/06 10:22 AM, Mary said...

RG,

A hyponotic state is of course similar to a hypnotic state, just much much smaller. Okay, or possibly it is a wee bit of a typo introduced into the text to reassure you that I'm just as human as the next blogger.

BCB,

I'll have you know that I never tormented any of my brothers. They were all way too tall. On the other hand, if there was trouble, e.g. "who broke that vase" then faced with a choice between mean-looking brothers and an innocent looking little Mary, well, what was a parent to think? (heh heh heh)

 
At 5/8/06 10:28 AM, bon cheri bomb said...

Yep, as I said, it was Mary's fault entirely. Too tall? Did I just hear you say too tall? Nice try.

Of course, I was the one who had a pet snake when I was younger. Hmmm. Want me to call my mom and do some research? Maybe my sisters?

bw

 
At 5/8/06 10:41 AM, Anonymous said...

Well, I knew someone would mention the R-rated phobias. But BCB? You're the most innocent of the bloggers. But I suppose, still waters do run deep.
I have my hero redeem himself later in the book where he kills a snake with his hunting knife to save an innocent, but doesn't realise it's poisonous. (The python isn't.)
I might just leave it as gator person says, an unexplained phobia. So long as I know in my mind why, it doesn't really have to feature in the book. Plus the psychologist (heroine)talks to him (while she's spooning him of course) about his fear, so maybe she can explain that to him. Hey, gatorperson, that's it, I like that explanation. I can hear the dialogue. Thank you.
Off to finish that scene.
rg
qxuemmky Que Mickey

 
At 5/8/06 10:53 AM, bon cheri bomb said...

RG lied through her teeth: But BCB? You're the most innocent of the bloggers. But I suppose, still waters do run deep.

I'm WHAT?!

Thanks, RG, I'm going to be laughing all day over that one. Lightning strike you yet?

bw

 
At 5/8/06 11:35 AM, Lori said...

OH: My first Crusie-- I was 15. It was Tell Me Lies. The candy hearts caught my eye at the library, so I brought it home. I devoured it and was hooked on Jenny. I’d been reading adult books (with and without sex or other more adult themes) for at least two years by the time I stumbled across Jenny’s books, but they made the most sense to me. I believed her. Still do.

Typing this made me realize that my JennyFan 10-year anniversary is coming up. Exciting! Maybe I’ll buy the book-that-shall-not-be-named in honor of it.

RG's "But BCB? You're the most innocent of the bloggers."

Made me laugh too. I don't think the innocent survive long around here.

cecjvgm: Could each Cherrybomb just virtually gag me?

 
At 5/8/06 11:48 AM, Bryan said...

jen-t,

So glad that DD is okay. It usually turns out that way, and as a parent you might feel silly for tending toward panic, but head injuries are scarey things and you never know when things aren't going to turn out okay.

Give her a hug, tell her you love her, then try to forget how scared you were.

lori said: "I don't think the innocent survive long around here."

Tell me about it. I was innocent when I got here. Look at me now.

mbptsu - Must be pistaciao tomato soup, ugh.

 
At 5/8/06 11:54 AM, glamour-geek said...

Bryan, with your knowledge of corsetry, it's hard to believe you were ever innocent. ;)

Yes, ladies and gents (and you others, over there, in the corner), it's actually SUNNY in the morning and I don't have to scamper off somewhere. So I get to spend the morning doing what I love best: sitting on my balcony for an hour or two in the rare bit of direct sunlight I get on my balcony. I think it's going to be a good day...

 
At 5/8/06 12:05 PM, Anonymous said...

Checking in prior to running errands. BCB innocent? I knew that would stir up some action ...
and Bryan, don't you dare blame us. *grin*
rg
affazx A faze x, (I'll get over it)

 
At 5/8/06 12:14 PM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

BCB said ... I think we are all of an age in our minds and spirits. And we each seem to have that little bit of snark (yes, Louis, you too -- especially you) that will keep us young and laughing forever.

Yes that's it exactly. I think we've all got just enough life experience behind us to know the value of a good laugh and a snarky attitude. Although according to OH's standards I qualify as a geezer at the tender age of 44. Tal - do the moles know their way to California?




Jen said ... Of course, don't forget the Princess, please, never forget the princess.

The Princess!!! No no no not that, not the Princess. *shudder* Now they'll never come out of lurkdom.


Lori said ...
RG's "But BCB? You're the most innocent of the bloggers."

Made me laugh too. I don't think the innocent survive long around here.


Innocent my Aunt Fanny. Anyone who calls BCB innocent has never driven with her to Canada by way of Mexico before. Though I was able to stock up on tequila so it wasn't a total loss.

 
At 5/8/06 12:45 PM, Louis said...

I didn't start reading Jenny until earlier this year..first one was "Bet Me".

Found the blog first then got interested in Jenny's and Bob's books.

Have most of Jenny's, even the unmentioned one...rather good by the way.

Read most of Bob's "Area 51" series and a few of his other books. Liked "Bodyguard of lies" best. Looking forward to the sequel.

I've read "Romance" books most of my life. Romantic suspense I like best.

Just young at heart!

Welcome, new ones. Join in, anytime.

eeilmwyb blue

eerily easy in life, men want YEC best

 
At 5/8/06 12:55 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

MCB: We were supposed to go to Mexico first? Well damn. You were navigating. Of course your speech was a little slurred, what with all those worms you ate. And since you kept switching between Spanish, English and French, well, is it any wonder we got all turned around? Though I have to say, those state troopers sure were nice about all the damage. And cute.

Are we still driving out to SF and kayaking to Maui with G-G? Because we need to plot a route that will avoid, um, is it 22 or 23 states we're supposed to stay out of?

bw

oycod: not lutefisk again

 
At 5/8/06 1:00 PM, GatorPerson said...

RG, butting in one last time (hah!) about snakes. Mayhap I'm an extreme case. BUT I won't even pick up books, magazines, etc. with a snake picture. I've thrown magazines across the room when turning to a snake picture. Kids laugh at me. If your protagonist kills a snake, he's a better man than I am, Gunga Din. BUTBUTBUT, please don't allow a snake, however stylized, on the cover or back of your novel. I wouldn't buy it because I couldn't touch it to turn the pages. Other potential purchasers might feel the same.

ZZMQM: Zeroes! Zeroes Magnify Quotients Mightily.

 
At 5/8/06 1:30 PM, Anonymous said...

Good point gatorperson.
I wouldn't buy it either *shudder* The snake bit is just a small part of the book, one incident in the bad guys increasingly bad manoeuvers to scare them off, then a small snippet in an escape scene where he redeems himself. There's lots of other good stuff in there to focus on for a cover, but I will keep that in mind.
You guys are great!!!
rg
setupf
set fiction tidily up first (or something like that)

 
At 5/8/06 1:38 PM, ZaZa said...

RSS said...
Zaza unfortunately I don't have any FFP books so can't enter that contest but thanks for the information.

Well, I may not be entering either. I have two stories that fit in different categories, but where the heck do I get a Tyvek envelope on a Saturday, when the P.O. is closed??? I'm calling around to see if any of the branches within a reasonable distance is manned on weekends.


bon cheri bomb said...
MCB decreed: I have the idea we are all in the same general age range.
Well, yes, of course [nodding agreeably]. We're all in our mid-thirties, except those of us who are even younger.

Ah, yes. That would be the female (or male) age group. Yep, we are all in that age group. ;+)


RG said...
She picks the snake up and takes it outside and releases it to nature (I have her set up as the Science geek, she used to walk around the lab with Lumpy the school snake around her neck.)

You might want to reconsider that. Unless a snake is a constrictor, it probably wouldn't stay there. And if it's a constrictor, you don't want it around your neck. They like to give you little hugs now and then, and that could be a bit fraught. How do I know this you ask? Well, when I was a med writer, one of the docs had his pet snake, a constrictor, in his office. We used to walk around with Herbie coiled around our arms, under our lab coats so as not to frighten hospital visitors. And he gave a good squeeze every once in a while, especially if something frightened him.

AND...
Now here's my question, what might make him be so scared of snakes? Any ideas?

Phallus envy? ;+))) Seriously, I don't know the reason, but I can tell you that, at the med school, the bulk of the guys were totally freaked by the whole idea of the snake. Much lower percentage of women bothered by it. I was terrified of them, having grown up in an area where rattlers were the prevalent snake type, but Herbie was just such a dumb sweetie that I got to like him.


Jent-T - glad the news on your daughter's concussion is good. They're usually not a biggie, but it's better to be careful.

tpnmqma (red)
Talpiana Nmqma, a Incan mole goddess

 
At 5/8/06 1:49 PM, orangehands said...

Welcome Cora (and anyone else i missed).

rg: i don't think you should have the hero "redeemed" about the snake thing by having him kill one. let him have a phobia- it's human. it could be except for that one time when he's sleeping and it just pops on him he's able to deal with them a lot calmer. but he doesn't have to defeat the phobia.

just my 5.7 cents.

as for how he got it: 1)bit as a kid, 2) has a brother/sister that stuck it in his bed when he was five (true story, though it backfired- girl woke up, saw it was sleeping, thought it was cute, and loves snakes now), 3) bad camping experience, 4) saw them eat once and freaked him out (i think that's how my mom got her phobia of snakes...aka Ophidiophobia or Snakephobia), 5)just don't explain it, 6)had a snake attack him during one of those shows on the street, etc. for movies, wasn't there an Indiana Jones with freaky snakes? or a Jungle Book or the Mummy or something with a huge snake at the end?

gp: i heard somewhere that you have two innate fears: one of falling and one of loud noises. the rest are human produced.

BCB: wait, your going to SF? when? if we plan this right it could be when i'm visiting the SF CBs. cool.

zaza: that is weird (about the ned school, not the phallus envy) and very interesting.

 
At 5/8/06 1:54 PM, RSS said...

RG Way to go on getting the submissions ready. Like gatorperson said, the worst phobias have no rational explanation. I know big manly men who will run the other way if they see a snake and some that have passed out. Luckily I don't have that phobia since my boys used to catch snakes and bring them proudly to show Mama. Of course, my bedroom was in the basement when I was growing up and it wasn't uncommon for a snake to be hanging out in the bathroom in the middle of the night. The sad thing is that my eyesight is so bad that I never saw them unless my sister started screaming and made me come get rid of it. I put on my glasses for that. She also woke me up if she saw a spider or a cricket or... you get the idea.

Funny snake story. One of my sons had a six foot rubber snake, probably a python and hung it over the hook on the bathroom door. I had female relatives over for a party and one went up to the bathroom and came down very pale. She does have a phobia and when she closed the door and saw the snake she thought she was a goner. I hadn't even remembered it was up there because it had become part of the household scenery. Another rubber snake, a rattler this time, got left out in the yard and scared a neighbor who came to visit. I now try to be aware of the assorted fake critters around the house and get the boys to put them away before we have company.

Never rent a house to people with pet snakes because when they decide to move and you have people coming over to view the house the snakes scare them away.

Jen-T I thought your DD couldn't play until Monday.

BCB and MCB: Next road trip use a different car and as long as you don't get pulled over no one will know you've travelled through all those states where you've been banned. I'll ride lookout if you like.

 
At 5/8/06 2:07 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

RSS: I'm afraid that with MCB along getting pulled over is a given. I think she has a sign she hangs out the window, a special request for any cute law enforcement types. Sigh. The woman lacks subtlety and the training is not going well.

Lookout? Well sure. As long as you leave your glasses at home. Remember? Plausible deniability.

OH: Have you not heard about the two weeks in Maui? And now that I think about it, I can't remember whether G-G is in SF or LA. No, you're in LA. G-G lives in a fog-shrouded basin somewhere. Got to be SF. Maybe we should check the map before we set out. Tedious details. I think we'll just drive west until we hit the dock of the bay. See what happens.

bw

 
At 5/8/06 2:16 PM, Jen-t said...

I just love colleges! Although, people walk by me and stare at me like I'm weird or something. Oh yeah, I am.

RSS - Let me refrase. DD can do everything except play in a game. Therefore, she can do all the drills on the ice. Not sure what the difference is, but that's what the doc said.

SDCB and Sheryl - THANK YOU! for the phone call! That made my afternoon. I was with my daughter until noon, then she had "stuff" to do. Dry land training, so I'm at the library and my cell phone kept cutting out. sorry about that. I'll see her again at 4, then i'm driving home. Again - thank you!

Geez, Bob and Jenny - bet you never thought you'd create such a wonderful, caring blogging community. What will we do when the year is up?

 
At 5/8/06 2:56 PM, glamour-geek said...

BCB: head east on I-80. Stop before you cross the Bay Bridge (which will save you the $3 toll). I'm on the east side of the Bay, proximate to, but not in, San Francisco which is on the other side of the Bay Bridge. Maui, however, is part way to Asia, across quite a bit of Pacific Ocean. I hope you've been training for that kayak ride.

OH is in LA (or thereabouts) for another while, then will be closer to me (and Kay T) because she'll be in Santa Cruz.

Geography all settled now?

qdqig: isn't that the game they play in the Harry Potter books? I only read one or two...

 
At 5/8/06 3:11 PM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

BCB - have not forgotten. That's next month right? You know, GG has been strangely quiet ever since we offered to keep her company. But might I suggest that if we are kayaking we might want to start from LA because I think its closer to Maui than SF. Also I think it was only 22 states we have to avoid altogether. The trooper in Idaho just said he didn't want to see us on his turf again. Didn't say we couldn't re-enter the state. And now I see what the problem was before. I never too French.

Jen - so glad to hear DD is doing well. But its good that you went because you needed to see that for yourself.

RG - assuming the hero isn't just going to magically get over his fear but rather finds the courage to deal with it when he has too. Doesn't mean he won't still be phobic.

Welcome to all newcomers. Please do introduce yourselves. Then we can begin the initiation rites. Nothing to do with snakes, honest.

 
At 5/8/06 3:17 PM, Mary said...

Margarita cherrybomb wheedled:
Welcome to all newcomers. Please do introduce yourselves. Then we can begin the initiation rites. Nothing to do with snakes, honest.

Dang it, you might have warned me, Margarita cb! Now I've got to clear all those snakes out of the cauld-- um, I mean, out of the hot tub.

 
At 5/8/06 3:24 PM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

RSS advised ...
BCB and MCB: Next road trip use a different car and as long as you don't get pulled over no one will know you've travelled through all those states where you've been banned. I'll ride lookout if you like.


*sigh* but we always get pulled over. Every state line we crossed. And a few international ones too. How we managed to visit Guatemala on our way to Canada is something I haven't figured out yet. But I can tell you that BCB is not good with instructions. More than once I told her "turn here. Here. Right Here. TURN HERE NOW ... ooookay, turn BACK THERE."

Mary, that's okay. Leave the snakes where they are. If the newbies can't handle a little joke they aren't our kind of people anyway.

 
At 5/8/06 3:30 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

G-G: So are you in Oakland? I'm thinking you're more of a Berkeley girl. Haven't been to SF for 20 yrs. I was a mere infant, using the new math. BTW, SF is part way to Asia from here. If we can make it that far without serious prison time, what's a little ocean or two? I've been paying attention to RSS's kayaking exploits, does that count as practice? If she can do it, how hard can it be? Geez, even Bob does it. Kayaks.

Last time I was out there we visited the federal prison in one of those "S" towns. Sausilito? Not San Quentin. DH's uncle was an asst warden. God, what a scary place. There is nothing like the sound/feel of those huge metal doors closing behind you. Goes right through you to the bones. And the eyes. Of the guards and the prisoners. Should be required of evey middle schooler to take that walk. Of course, being the only female, not to mention the only three-month-pregnant female, in the place added somewhat to the ambience.

Snakes? Sometimes scary is just a matter of perspective.

Hey MCB, do you want to visit the prison as long as we're out there? I'm sure they'll let you back out again. Probably. Just don't give anyone your real ID, use the one I gave you. What do you mean it smeared? Geez. Can't take you anywhere.

bw

 
At 5/8/06 3:38 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

And just so you all know, we did not get "pulled over" at every state line. MCB just has a very unique interpretation of the meaning of Welcome Center. She's very friendly. Wants to personally welcome everyone. Law enforcement. Truckers. Known felons. Geez. Ignoring her instructions to take the next off ramp became a matter of self-defense.

bw

 
At 5/8/06 3:42 PM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

Hey! Be happy I welcomed the law enforcement or you'd still be behind bars.

 
At 5/8/06 3:42 PM, Jen-t said...

Okay, leaving the library, heading back to the ice rink - will say good bye to dear daughter, then get back in the car and drive like 6 hours home, oh wait 5, going to the lake to see jaws, miss him in an odd way.

Sigh, have your flipping road trips guys, never want to drive anywhere again - oh, did some one say hockey? What's that, never heard of that sport. My kids dont play, we're not traveling to everywhere this winter. Sigh, all of a sudden I hate hotels, I hate traveling and the thought of getting in the car again, listening to the crazed pyscho in my head, yikes, not a pleasent experience!

 
At 5/8/06 3:45 PM, Jen-t said...

MCB - BCB - you two are made for each other. But you're starting to sound like Bob, or the grateful dead, they are one in the same "What a long strange trip it's been."

I feel like I got sucked into a high speed warp or something. Anyone one want to drive me home? Anyone? Hello? Is there anyone out there?

 
At 5/8/06 3:55 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

Jen, you've lost it completely if you're asking me or MCB to get in a car with you.

And it was Soledad Prison. Sorry to have maligned Sausilito, which I am sure is a perfectly lovely place, even without a prison.

bw

 
At 5/8/06 4:37 PM, Diane said...

Sausalito is a lovely place, and probably does not miss having a federal prison.

On the ophiophobia subject (I love the things I learn here!): remember, the snake was made the villain in the Eden story, and God ordained that it would crawl on its belly eating dust, and that there would be enmity between its descendant and the woman's. Suggesting (regardless of one's interpretation of the story) a pretty long pedigree for a potential "innate" fear. Though, of course, some people do lack it. I wonder if their ancestors evolved somewhere relatively free of dangerous snakes?

I don't know the extent to which it's innate vs. learned, but I think people tend to have more empathy for critters that are more similar to themselves. For example: lizards aren't as scary as snakes, 'cause they have legs. Reptiles are more foreign than mammals. Sharks diverged from us WAY back in evolutionary history, so we just don't want to deal with 'em. Insects and spiders have too many legs. Stuff like that. Feel free to jump all over me - but, of course, you will!

mxgjmd: license plate for the biggest doctor in Grand Junction, CO

OK, I knew it wasn't very creative, and apparently, so did Blogger. jcrryaf: Jellies' cnidocytes rarely respect young artists' fears

 
At 5/8/06 5:21 PM, glamour-geek said...

BCB: Yes, I'm in Oakland. I went to Berkeley as an undergraduate (lo, these many moons ago) and Davis for my MS, then left the state for a good while. I moved back to the Bay Area almost 6-1/2 years ago. I prefer Oakland to Berkeley, despite our murder rate which mostly isn't in my neighborhood (except for the one last weekend about 6 blocks away. That's on the other side of the freeway, which is a bit like another planet). Less hippy-trippy-save-the-trees-screw-the-people politics than in Berkeley, more murder-crime-other-weird-stuff. You takes your good with your bad.

I figure the murder rate keeps the riff raff yuppies in San Francisco from coming over to our side of the bay and finding out that here you don't always have to have reservations to get into a decent restaurant on a weekend. Plus there's parking over here.

oxrmfyhn: the place Christina's doing graduate work, as pronounced after a few too many pints at the pub.

 
At 5/8/06 5:34 PM, AgTigress said...

Fear of snakes: while it is undoubtedly innate in some people (and in some other primates, apparently), it is only in Judaism/Christianity, as far as I know, that snakes have a negative symbolic significance.

In Graeco-Roman paganism, snakes were beneficent creatures, associated with healing, regeneration, and the souls of the departed. The principal animal attribute of the healing deity Asclepius was a snake, the Asclepian snake, in fact, which is a large non-poisonous species (Elaphe longissima).

Most of Europe does not have seriously poisonous native snakes - the common European viper or adder has enough venom to kill a small child or a dog, but nowhere near enough to kill a healthy adult human. It's the only venomous species in western Europe. Of course, there are some very dangerous snakes in Egypt and other parts of North Africa. I once came across a small Horned Viper in the Eastern Desert of Egypt. I was delighted to see it, because they are beautiful creatures, and no longer very common, but I was careful not to annoy it...

 
At 5/8/06 5:44 PM, glamour-geek said...

I saw a lovely green palm pit viper in Costa Rica. It was about the color of young grass and really pretty. It was climbing up a tree in an attempt to raid a hummingbird nest and was being dive bombed by a couple of adult hummingbirds attempting to thwart it. Still, they are QUITE poisonous (the vipers, not the hummingbirds), so I was happy to see it up a tree while I was firmly ensconced on the ground.

I saw a tarantula in that same park on a night tour and, even though they are not poisonous, it was quite creepy.

Snakes, spiders. Not mortally terrified, but I'll pass, thanks just the same.

Wasps. Now those scare the bejeebies out of me. They just look sinister. The space ships of evil alien beings should be shaped like wasps, in order to allow us to intuit their malign intent.

 
At 5/8/06 5:44 PM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

Tigress - the Asclepian snakes ... are they the ones slithering up the cadeucus?


Okay all - I'm off to join friends at an outdoor concert. I'm providing beverages ... just a pitcher of OJ. With a little peach schnapps for flavoring. Its a U.S. Navy band. I'm really hoping those guys will be in uniform.. Yum.

 
At 5/8/06 5:59 PM, Mary said...

G-G, Loath though I am to cast aspersions on the judgement of anyone who gives out GIWLT, I wonder about Oakland sometimes. You know those road signs that say "No Stopping, No Standing"? Oakland is the only place I've ever seen a sign that said "No Stopping, No Standing, No Prowling."

GIWLT - Guaranteed Instant Weight Loss Tips, such as recommending a correctly fitted bra that caused several people to ask me if I'd lost weight recently.

 
At 5/8/06 6:04 PM, colognegrrl said...

After a few days in Bavaria with our exchange student, I'm back. But I find it more and more exhausting to follow this blog as it is getting so personal and I don't know any of you personally - and probably never will, unless I move to the U.S. and start writing in English. I think this started out as a forum on writing - and
basically, those are the parts I like best. No matter whether it's about snakes or girls in pink t-shirts or Latin declensions.

 
At 5/8/06 6:08 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

MCB: Its a U.S. Navy band. I'm really hoping those guys will be in uniform.. Yum.

See? She's just incorrigible. Have fun!

DD18 just got back from whitewater rafting on the French Broad -- the river. No concussion, so that's good. Big exciting night of laundry planned. Then editing something. Then writing something else.* After the last few weeks, this is all I can handle.

*The obligatory random comment about writing. Just for you, colognegrrl. [grin]

bw

 
At 5/8/06 6:16 PM, Mary said...

I'll gladly talk about any kind of writing. So long as it's not technical writing, since I'm currently in the Egyptian river when it comes to that topic. Any other sort of writing, bring it on! I'm easy.*



*Oh come now. You're all too noble and pure to fall for a facile line like that. Focus on writing.


wreogk - what a writer looks like after a night of passion, tequila, and bad typing skills

 
At 5/8/06 6:35 PM, Louis said...

On one of our recent hot days in the evening at our horse wash rack with a cement floor, it had been recently used and floor was wet....there was a decent sized tarantula in the middle of a large wet spot...cooling off.

Isn't nature wonderful?

Last snake that I saw was in the garage at the screen door, peering into the house....

Again, isn't nature wonderful.

hemyfc blue

his every memory, YEC from Crusie

 
At 5/8/06 6:40 PM, naked under my clothes said...

I'm so confused. First I was lying under a table, thanks to too much booze. I was dreaming of corsets and well-fitting bras (unfortunately, glamour-geek, still a dream for me, though I swear I will hunt one down). Then there was a fire and a blanket.

Then Bob posted twice in two days, perhaps about bouquets (because a bacquet, wha?) and I went into the bunker because I was sure that the apocalypse was upon us.

I'm going to sit in a corner now until the craziness subsides.

 
At 5/8/06 8:08 PM, orangehands said...

mary said "I'm easy"

after the party, everyone knows that. (yeah, like i was going to let that past. please.)

tigress: don't know if this was part of a religion or something but what about the symbol of the snake's head eating the tail or something like that.

BCB: my dad used to lock me up in the holding cell at work when i went with him for the day. and then i would get to go into judge's personal chambers.

MCB: LOL on describing driving with BCB. that's how it goes with my friend.

me:"turn right at the next light. this one coming up. this one right here. turn right. right! right! ok, we can double back. just turn off here. HERE! this one! ok, how about we just go straight toward San Diego."

"huh?"

grrr.

rtzax: rats ax. speaking of the one animal i will scream about. give me a snake or spider or shark any day. keep the rats away.

 
At 5/8/06 8:30 PM, RSS said...

GG in complete agreement about wasps (and hornets). Used to be pretty phobic about them until I realize I was scaring the crap out of my kids when I screamed like a banshee whenever one appeared. Am better now. Kind of.

DH is back and I'm going to work on revisions this evening because I'm putting him in charge of the eleven year olds. He doesn't know it yet. He brought me a TV for our bedroom. The screen was smaller than my laptop screen. Now I'm a total girl when it comes to TV's and not into the huge screens but this was ridiculous and I know the first time he watches it he'll complain that he can't see anything. So I told him to take it back. I'm doing CPR now.

Colognegirl we don't all know each other. I'm pretty new and am making it up as I go along. I can see how it would be difficult in your non native language. If this blog was in French I'd be totally lost. Six years studying it umpteen years ago would not help. I'm in awe of you that you know English so well.

 
At 5/8/06 8:55 PM, Anonymous said...

MCB said: RG - assuming the hero isn't just going to magically get over his fear but rather finds the courage to deal with it when he has too. Doesn't mean he won't still be phobic.

Right. He shakes in his boots but has to protect Sarge's grandaughter. Very heroic *sigh* still hates snakes though.
Oh, and I can't remember who said it but actually the Aussie pythons will grip pretty tight but normally don't bite, the green python which is found in the rainforest does often bite and the bite can be painful, they really camouflage well with the rainforest.
I think I may have misled you, (too tired to go back and find my original entry) Lumpy the science lab snake was a boa-constrictor and he liked to be carried. Especially liked being around peoples necks. The only rule was do not pick him up just after eating. *grin*
I have a lot of research on snakes and will be getting more on my trip. I'm sure I'll get it right.

Hey colognegrrl: what do you write?
And where is your exchange student from? I know how you feel about the blog it gets a bit hard to reconnect when you've been gone. I'll never be able to catch up when I get back from my Aussie trip. It was hard after the National conference. I usually rapid read and then wait and comment on the new thread.
rg
ngvkdijb naked in job (oh, I know a stripper)

 
At 5/8/06 9:11 PM, sweetanyanka said...

lol, wow, I love catching up on everything. I'm glad the daughter is okay, I once hit my head while camping and my mom was frantic by the time my dad brought me home although I was just happy to have gotten real food (yeah, I'm not made for pumping gross red water and eating bad tasting food with cold winter outhouses as the reward for eating up).

Orangehands--was the graduation you mentioned in your blog highschool or college? Are you from Orange County? Just curious because of the San Diego reference and a friend who loves Crusie who is from Palm Beach. I love the driving description, I've had that happen so often...

What were other people's first experiences with Crusie? I liked the few that I saw. Mine was my mom passing on her copy of Crazy because she thought I'd like the dog and my older sister arguing about which of us got to keep it (I won, I'm the youngest). She'd been passing on romance novels for years with me only getting her in trouble once (I brought one about a haunted house lady for reading time in third grade and the teacher didn't believe me that at that age I skipped over the yex and wanted a talk with my mom about "appropriate reading materials." This was also the school where I got in trouble for reading Beverly Cleary in kindergarten so we didn't think too highly of their view of appropriate...

 
At 5/8/06 9:26 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

bryan isn't this your Starbucks day? The day you write? Well then you must have caught up to me now. I haven't written for two days. Been dealing with serious pain issues. Doctor tripled all my pain medications (3of them)so hoping they will work.

Have discovered IMessenger. Love it. Talked to Sheryl for about half an hour and someone who shall remain nameless from this blog. Had a great time. They both made me laugh. I needed that.

red ztrcb

Zaza tried reality & called Bob.

green agzaarl

Alliteration's great Zaza. Always alliterate riting literature. /,D

 
At 5/8/06 9:33 PM, RSS said...

sweetanyanka my first experience with Crusie was DLD and I read that because Jenny and Bob were doing a talk for our romance writers chapter. Then I checked at my local library and got "Fred's book" and I was hooked. I still haven't read "Faking It" or "Bet Me" tho I have them because I'm using them as a reward for finishing my revisions. I have to do that because once I got my first shipment of Crusies I did absolutely nothing but read them until I'd finished them all. I can't wait to reread them all. Now, I'm thinking about hooking my 18yo niece on them but have to buy some to loan her because I don't want to part with my copies. Ditto for my sister who is recovering from surgery and could use the laughs.

 
At 5/8/06 9:34 PM, RSS said...

((((SDCB))))

 
At 5/8/06 9:38 PM, GatorPerson said...

Cologneggrl, I don't know anyone. Confession to all: I've spent my entire life surrounded by many more men than women and so am taking opportunities to learn more about interacting with women. Yeah, I make my major contributions with data like snakes, declensions, etc. Sometimes I don't understand these people either, and I speak only English and southern! I think it's the unanticipated fantasy side-trips they take, but that's probably part of the novel-writing mindset; interesting, hilarious, and entertaining. And I learn some stuff; but they don't know much about Infinity in the Kitchen.

AgTigress: The birds in my yard have squawking fits when they sight a snake. That fear is probably innate, yet birds and snakes are evolutionarily quite close.

clhlg: Clearly, Longjohns Hug Limbs Gracefully.

 
At 5/8/06 10:08 PM, glamour-geek said...

SDCB: so sorry to hear you are hurting, dear. Please do take care and distract yourself if you can. xoxo

 
At 5/8/06 11:05 PM, Robena Grant said...

SDCB; hope you get a decent nights rest. It makes the world of difference.

Just watched the movie Rabbit Proof Fence, starring Kenneth Brannagh. Bought it months ago but have been spending every available moment on the blog or writing. But, I finally got to it and loved it. It might not resonate with a lot of you, but it hit home for me.

Great movie based on a true story about Aboriginal half-caste's in Australia in the 1930's. Make's you ashamed of your heritage and root for the Aboriginal. What a great intuitive race.
rg
mmwzjmn
mmmmm wicked zex, just means nothing

 
At 5/8/06 11:37 PM, talpianna said...

Robena--true snake story told by Elizabeth Lowell: When her daughter was on the high school swim team, the school science teacher used to toss the school python into the swimming pool about once a week to get rid of whatever bothered the dry skin of pythons. When he happened to do it while the team was practicing, it's amazing how their times improved...

(Walks off singing: 'I don't like spiders and snakes
And that ain't what it takes to love me
You fool, you fool
I don't like spiders and snakes
And that ain't what it takes to love me
Like I want to be loved by you')

Remember the scene in TEMPLE OF DOOM where the snake is hanging down next to the heroine and she mistakes it for a tree branch?

I don't care for snakes in real life, but one of my all time favorite fictional characters is Kaa, the giant python in THE JUNGLE BOOKS.

And another way the hero could overcome his fear would be to SAVE a snake (though I don't know why). I remember a story I read once where a character had an extreme phobia of cats. At one point, a cat much beloved by her dearest friend was being pursued by a dog, and the only way she could save it was to pick it up. So she did, because her love for her friend was greater than her phobia. "Perfect love casteth out fear."

Mary said... RG, A hyponotic state is of course similar to a hypnotic state, just much much smaller.

No, no, no! A hyponotic state is what results when you are hypnotized under water...

Here is a pic of Glamour-Geek in her fog-shrouded
basin: http://www.catinthesink.com/

And of course, Diane, MOLES are totally beloved by all civilized beings!

To add to what AgTigress said, it was common in classical times for people to keep a sacred house-snake, and to feed it on dishes of milk. Probably because cats hadn't been invented yet, but mice had.

Also, snakes are a traditional symbol of rebirth (because they shed their skins), and were thus a symbol adopted by the Gnostics--another reason for orthodox Christianity to demonize them.

zyefe -- Zoe, you even frightened (our) egg.

mwchf -- Mary, which CherryBomb has fleas?

 
At 6/8/06 12:31 AM, amc said...

Hey, guys---Jenny blogged on her website.

RG--for some reason, I keep thinking that someone nasty tortured your hero with a snake when he was little.

sfrenesp...a kind of esp originating in San Francisco and Fresno.

 
At 6/8/06 12:57 AM, ZaZa said...

glamour-geek said...
I saw a tarantula in that same park on a night tour and, even though they are not poisonous, it was quite creepy.

The same doc who had the pet snake later brought in his pet tarantula. That's where I drew the line. I refused to set foot in his office. If he had a ms. to be edited for publication, he could just bring it to me. The Department Chair backed me up. He wouldn't go in there either. /;+)

Spiders are bad enough, but hairy spiders??? BIG hairy spiders in fluorescent colors???? *shudder - shudder - shudder*


orangehands said...
the symbol of the snake's head eating the tail or something like that.

orobouros or something??? Yes!:
The Ouroboros (also spelled Oroborus, Uroboros or Uroborus) is an ancient symbol depicting a serpent or dragon swallowing its own tail and forming a circle. It has been used to represent many things over the ages, but it most generally symbolizes ideas of cyclicality and primordial unity.
(from Wikipedia)

AND...
me:"turn right at the next light....ok, how about we just go straight toward San Diego."
"huh?"

That's my ex-roomie. We were in DC, near the capitol looking for parking. Anyonoe who's ever been there, done that, will know it's nearly impossible. And yet, a space opened up just as were were approaching it.
me: "Park there!"
her: (a block and a half later) "Where?"
I hope y'all can appreciate the strength of will it took me not to bludgeon her bloody. No judge or jury in the DC area would have convicted me.

Then there's the, "Turn right at the corner...Right!...No, your other right. Yeah. That one." /;+)))

AND MORE...
rtzax: rats ax. speaking of the one animal i will scream about. give me a snake or spider or shark any day. keep the rats away.

When I lived in Baltimore, I was watching this "squirrel" romping around at the entry to the Farmer's Market. I started to say, "Oh, look at the squi..." then I noticed it's very long, very bald tail. Yow! Big, big rat. You know, this whole subject is giving me the whim whams.


talpiana said...
And of course, Diane, MOLES are totally beloved by all civilized beings!

*raising hand* The first (and only) time I saw a mole, I ran screaming into the house. This was in the country, so it was quite a long run for someone totally squicked and screaming. I'd heard that moles were "blind," but I didn't realize they had no eyes. *more shuddering* So, that's an argument for alieness causing fears.

pvwvoxpb (green)
"Pretty verbs were very original," Xavier promised Betty.

 
At 6/8/06 1:04 AM, ZaZa said...

Penny, so sorry to hear about the pain tonight. (((hugs))) I hope the meds help. You take care of yourself.

sweetanyanka, the first Crusie I read was Welcome to Temptation. I'd never heard of her, but the big red apple on the cover, and the quirky title were enough for me when I was casing B&N for reading material. I loved it and was hooked.

colognegirl, don't be shy about raising writing topics. Even when we're on a thread about creepy crawlies or corsetry, the writers among us are always willing to be distracted by something shiny. ;+)

Speaking of writing, I never made the contest entry. I got the package ready but couldn't figure out where to get one of those Tyvek envelopes on a Saturday and still have time to get the thing postmarked today. Plus, I got his with major nausea and was afraid it was the return of the flu. Wasn't. I still feel pretty good about whipping the entry together on such short notice. I had to come up with a synopsis, because I was doing my organic writing thing, so I had no idea how it was going to end. Almost as good as an entry.

fwyarsm (blue)
Fresh water yields a real sweet mouth. Or something.

 
At 6/8/06 2:15 AM, orangehands said...

ok, this is just going to be really, really long.

good job on the revisions, zaza. glad your not sick again.

scope dope: hugs and love. i hope you feel better after some sleep. or tea. SDCB DH, go make her tea.

sweetanyanka: ha, your curious about me. that is the doom of all. no, i live in LA, my friend just doesn't understand city limits. though she could have been heading for that great sushi place...i just graduated from HS and am going to Santa Cruz in the fall. what about you? age, rank, serial number? fave author? fave chocolate? (he most important things, you see)

for adult books, i've probably been reading them since i was ten. very mature for my age. (stop laughing, MCB). of course, even with all the "adult" books i read, i still read teen too. for that i can always use the excuse i help my HS librarian buy books, but truthfully, that genre has some EXCELLENT writers. try Chris Crutcher. i love that man.

anyway, my first Jenny was Faking It. my mom and i were at the hospital after visting my uncle (car accident-> quadriplegic-> lots of time spent visiting him) and my mom picked it up. i read the first line, laughed, and took it home. then i collected her backlist. actually, about two months later, same hospital, i found Jenny's not-to-be-named book. now i just need her to reissue Trust Me On This and The Cinderella Deal so i don't have to pay $35 for one book. (i love Jenny, but there's so many books i need to buy and, you know, pay for college)

sweet: i had those experiences with my 8th grade English teacher.

me: "what do you mean i can't read this?"
teacher: "it's not on the approved list"
"but this is a college-level book"
"completely inappropriate"
"why"
"do you want to fail?"
"i can bring in a note from my mom saying i can read it"
"i'm warning you-"

thank goodness i had a good relationship with the woman in charge of the magnet program i was in or i would have been screwed. yes, MAGNET program. kind of like BCB's DD being told to take "jogging". what is wrong with these people? (she esp hated me because i always got her idioms and most of her vocab. while i do not sound it, i have a wide range of vocab words in my head. all that reading did some good. it's just my grammar and spelling that suck.)

gp: i used to hang out with a lot more guys than girls. then they weirded out on me. i called it stupidity. i believe the actual word was hormones.

zaza: i was visiting my grandma a few years ago (Brooklyn, NY, the projects) and when i woke up she was saying something about breakfast and my mom was shaking her head no and making gross faces. my grandma left the room for a minute and my mom opened the microwave to a huge cockroach. needless to say, we ate across the street. even nice areas in NY have cockroaches. something about all those people in such a small area or something.

 
At 6/8/06 2:26 AM, orangehands said...

just read Argh Ink. i forgot- Cinderella Deal is coming out again. YEA!

green: pssdmd: i love it when blogger makes it easy. pissed mood. my usual attitude when watching the news.

 
At 6/8/06 10:07 AM, Erica said...

I have no idea how to make the names bold so... *shrugs*


bon cheri bomb said...
"Erica: You are just now getting DLD? Poor baby! Do you live way off a beaten sheep track where there are no bookstores? Hope we didn't spoil it too much with all the discussion."

I was feeling very deprived BCB *sobsob*... there is no book shop in my town (shock-horror) only a Big W. And no, you didn't spoil it! I love reading the conversations - I don't always comment (I lurk very well :D ), I get almost as many giggles from reading the Cherry Bomb posts as I do reading Bob and Jenny :D



and



Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...
"erica is in downundergal's neighbourhood, down under in the land of OZ. Good. Welcome erica, although I think you have been here before, right?"

I am an Aussie girl (and am still biting my tongue and refusing to comment about stupid-soccer-world-cup-umpires! I know, I know... it's been over a month... get over it... but grrrrr!!!) what? did I say anything? nope. Not me. *whistling*
I have been posting for a while, but have been reading since the beginning of February... like I said... lurker alert, lol :)


A friend of mine went over to America two weeks ago to a friends graduation and picked up a LOT of books... she sent me a box of about 20 (okay, so yes... I do know exactly how many. 19. Unless you count the trillogy-in-one seperately and then it's 22. So I'll say around 20 and stop fussing :P )
Along with a lot of other great books by great authors, I got DLD.
My friend is a Goddess!!!



and

RG said...
"Erica - glad you finally got DLD"

Cheers :)





okay... I'm going to stop now... I've babbled enough and if I keep going, you will be in danger of getting a list of books and titles from my Bliss-Box :D

Did I sound smug? Me? Noooooo :)



(blue) tatkg : take away that kooky girl!!

ack.

(green) bkqre : because kooky-quacks resent ethics

... I really need to think of another 'K' word... but kissing or kinky just didn't fit... well okay, maybe 'kinky' :P

 
At 6/8/06 10:08 AM, Anonymous said...

On creapy crawlies

Well I must admit that I find most creapy crawlies strangly fascinating to watch outside or through glass or on tv. For example, there's this really big spider that builds a huge spiral web each night out on my fire escape. Creapy crawlies in my apartment....NO.

Most of my bad experiences with creapies came when I was living in Houston. Two roaches having a good time under my toaster died what I hope was a glorious death for them. ICK! An invasion of my apartment by large, evil-looking, orange wasps. AGH! The dead rat in a flower pot on my balcony. ICK, ICK, ICK!!

Out of the realm of creapy crawlies, snakes probably bother me the least. Not that I want one in my apartment, mind you, but the baby garden snake that we caught in the basement of our house when I was a kid was really, really cute.

RG - Indania Jones was already mentioned. At the beginning of the third movie, there was a clip that showed why he was afraid of snakes. As a teen, Indiana fell into a snake pit/box on a traveling carnival train.

I try to remind myself that most creapy crawlies are beneficial for the world. I've yet to have someone explain to me though the role of roaches in the ecological scheme of things. They just make me shudder.

Theresa in Pgh

 
At 6/8/06 10:10 AM, Erica said...

*sees huge post*

who did that?

*sees name*

oh.

woops.

maybe I should stick to lurking, lol

 
At 6/8/06 10:12 AM, Erica said...

.... or maybe I should pry my finger off the enter key *grin*

 
At 6/8/06 10:20 AM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

Scope Dope wrote ... Have discovered IMessenger. Love it. Talked with ... someone who shall remain nameless from this blog.

My parents still can't decide.

CG - Please don't let the lack of personal meeting possibilities keep you away. We enjoy your participation so much. I love the fact that I'm conversing with people from different places and cultures (even California!!!). I may never meet most of them but from this blog I continue to learn from them.

Jump in with a topic if there's something you want to discuss. That's pretty much what we all do. If time limitations prevent you from 'keeping up' with the old, start something new.

 
At 6/8/06 10:29 AM, colognegrrl said...

Dear Erica, I agree with you, those Aussie boys should have stayed in the tournament a while longer. But that's life. Try again next time in Capetown.

Basically, I write PR stuff full time. But I read a lot. My first Crusie was "Getting rid of Bradley", then I devoured the rest of them with a side dish of Marian Keyes and an Evanovich novel now and then. Last year I asked myself whether I could write something like that in German (I read in English because the translation spoils half the fun, and also to keep up with the language). So I wrote a manuscript and sent it to the only agency I knew. They accepted it as well as the next one and now I've got a contract with one of the main paperback publishing houses. Book 1 will appear next summer. Now it's left to find out what readers will think about it.

After that much personal information, back to language and style: I like abbreviations, and particularly the GAM appealed to me. So at first I didn't take it seriously when I found out that you write "DH" when you talk about husbands. But the more it appears, the more I believe that - guess this concerns mainly the Americans - you use the short form not with the same kind of wink and smile as you would write about the GAM. Now my question: isn't it rather Victorian to do that? And will it really save you that much time that you don't mind sounding so old-fashioned or stilted?

No offense, just a question of the curious non-native speaker.

 
At 6/8/06 10:38 AM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

ZaZa - true the parking in DC is very limited. It cuts down on the tourists that way. HA! Just kidding. You do have to *know* where to go for parking but its so much easier to take the subway everywhere.

My first Crusie was GETTING RID OF BRADLEY. Loved the dead dog? jokes and made a fool of myself on the subway when I read the part about the dogs "attacking" Zack. Its been re-read many many times now.

OH - My mother, wise woman that she is, always took the attitude that if I was old enough to understand what I was reading, I was old enough to read it. The fact is when you are a *true* reader at an early age, you tend to go through those appropriate for your age rather quickly, so what to do except move on? Plus I think kids who read a lot, who have a love of reading, are more *ready* to move up to something older. Reading introduces you to so many ideas and cultures, I think in some small way it matures you.

But you're still too young to drink at the next party. Deal.

Flippantly, Bob quips, "Jenny posted."

 
At 6/8/06 10:44 AM, Anonymous said...

MCB said: I love the fact that I'm conversing with people from different places and cultures (even California!!!).

Hey ... you leave Cali out of this! *grin* Actually it is a rather weird state. But me too, I love that we have people from all over the world on this blog.

My rat story *shudder, scream, quake, shudder* was from after the Northridge earthquake. Recently divorced, living alone, kids at their dad's for the weekend. Sliding glass doors jumped off rails, big whole in back wall of upstairs corner of master bedroom and the ground shook for weeks. Kids came home. A day later big rat in master bathroom just hanging out on the wall. I shriek, lock it inside and kids come to help.
Son, then nine or ten says I'll get it. I tell him it's huge. He shrugs. He's used to rats in the science lab (huh, cute little white ones, right?)
He comes inside bathroom and we close the door he gets one look at the beast and says "Holy s**t, he's huge." or something like that. I didn't even reprimand him. We spend at least a half hour chasing the thing. Rat even got into the walk-in closet and ran up inside a blue blazer sleeve.
Eventually we placed an upturned wastebasket over him, slid a piece of newspaper between wall and basket and then took him outside. I released him but only after doing the speech about freedom and not returning with aunts and cousins.
The blazer was dry cleaned and not worn for almost a year but was always affectionately referred to as "the rat blazer."
rg
cwdtyf
can words describe the yexy fun?

 
At 6/8/06 10:57 AM, Mary said...

Talpianna spake forcibly:
No, no, no! A hyponotic state is what results when you are hypnotized under water...
Wait a minute, shouldn't that be a hydronotic state? Now I'm thinking a hyponotic state is the hypnotic state that you're put into by someone with a hypo.

Zaza quoteth wisely:
The Ouroboros (also spelled Oroborus, Uroboros or Uroborus) is an ancient symbol depicting a serpent or dragon swallowing its own tail and forming a circle. It has been used to represent many things over the ages, but it most generally symbolizes ideas of cyclicality and primordial unity.

So maybe someone here can help me out. (Yes, Colognegrrl, this is about books!) Why was E.R. Eddings' book titled the Worm Ouroboros?

 
At 6/8/06 11:09 AM, Mary said...

Oh for heaven's sake, I meant E.R. Eddison's book. (I definitely need to seek out and devour some caffeine.)

I understand that it's seen as an "in the end is the beginning" type of book, but I never got that feel from reading it. A good author will often have the ending parallel the beginning of the story, since it rounds things out and gives a feeling of completion, of coming back home at the end of a journey. But "home" is never quite the same place it was when you started off on the quest. It's changed because you have been changed by going through the story. So to me a story like this one is not the snake swallowing its own tail; it's more like a spiral, things coming round to the same place but slightly different.

Maybe I should go find some strong tea and come try to wrestle with clarifying this question later. Am I making any kind of sense here? Do you see this is a "back to where we started" story or is Eddison trying to suggest something different?

 
At 6/8/06 11:25 AM, bon cheri bomb said...

CG wrote: you use the short form not with the same kind of wink and smile as you would write about the GAM. Now my question: isn't it rather Victorian to do that? And will it really save you that much time that you don't mind sounding so old-fashioned or stilted?

Oh God! LMAO over this. I'm not sure about everyone else, but I absolutely use it with a wink and a smile. I can't get over anyone thinking we sound Victorian -- about anything. It really is just an abbreviation, more indicative of pure laziness than anything else. And believe me, sometimes it is used with a good deal of sarcasm. There are very few of us who, when we use it, are really thinking "Dear Husband" or "Darling Daughter" -- it's just shorthand and used as an identifier. We Americans are WAY more irreverent than you seem to want to believe. BTW, I think these differences in societal perceptions are fascinating.

Now on the other hand, every time I write "The GAM," I am absolutely thinking The God Among Men [grin]. With all appropriate reverence and worshipfulness (is that a word?). And do not even get me started about what I think when I write "MOMT." Whew.

But on to more important stuff: I love how you just oh so casually mention that you wrote a ms, sent it off, they bought it and the next one too. Just a walk in the park, huh? You've got TWO books coming out? In German, so I can't even read them?! How unfair. I feel so illiterate. But very excited and happy for you!

And Mary, since when do you make sense or think that we expect you to do so?

bw

ggnmnta: I don't know, but it sounds painful

 
At 6/8/06 11:33 AM, RSS said...

Colognegirl Congratulations on the contract and book. That's fantastic. On the DH thing, I started doing it and the DS for son because that's what the first people I "talked" to online did. I'm often feeling quite sarcastic when I write that and sometimes the D doesn't stand for dear. So many good "d" words: damned, dastardly, demented, darling, dratted, daggone, disturbed, come to mind.

SDCB hope you are feeling better this am

Zaza Way to go on getting the submission together. Now you are ready so check out the contests with upcoming due dates

OH Back in the old days when I went to school, no one commented on my choice of reading matter except my French teacher who was confused by the fact that one day I was reading romance and the next a biography of a football player. My oldest son's sixth grade homeroom teacher had a fit because he was reading Tom Clancy and she didn't think it was appropriate. I told her he had been reading TC for two years and that we (his parents) approved of his choices. I never heard any other complaints. I wanted to tell her she was worrying about the wrong kid and to spend her time on the kids who never read anything but I refrained. This was in September and he had to deal with her for the whole year.

I have four boys asking where I am because they want to go swimming so I better get moving.

Erica Your posts made me LOL. Thanks.

 
At 6/8/06 11:36 AM, RSS said...

BCB I love it. We were posting about being sarcastic at the same time. No wonder we got along well.

 
At 6/8/06 11:50 AM, bon cheri bomb said...

RSS wrote: No wonder we got along well.

Hmm. Notice how she uses past tense? She must have gotten that email I just sent her with editorial comments on her synopsis.

Off to finish butchering-- um, I mean editing those first 50 pages she sent. Ok, everyone, chime in now in a show of support for RSS: Poor baby!

[it's really very good, so don't go overboard with the sympathy, ok?]

bw

 
At 6/8/06 12:16 PM, Erica said...

RSS - Poor baby!

:D


uuzamhuz : I don't think so. It would take a better woman than I.

 
At 6/8/06 12:34 PM, Louis said...

Erica....

Don't lurk...Comment

You sound interesting!

I lurk...but I also comment.

I find the posts and comments interesting, instructive, irritating sometimes, intriguing, irristable, irreverent, and all the other "i" words.

Colognegirl....congrats on being published...great.

upxwei red

unexpected pleasures (e)xcited we envy intellect

 
At 6/8/06 12:44 PM, amc said...

Cologne Girl---Congatulations! Let us know if there's any way we can buy your books...some of us who don't speak German have relatives who do.

I lived in Germany for about two years in the mid-90's, near Stuttgart. I still miss it.

lceufx...Laughing clowns enjoy ululating for eXictement.

 
At 6/8/06 1:05 PM, colognegrrl said...

I like the comments on kids' reading. I would never stop my kids from reading anything even if they tried to make their way through "Lady Chatterley's Lover" -or Ulysses, or whatever they have set their mind on - if they can do it, they are old enough. There is no common rule on how old you have to be for a certain book. Hey, I've books in my shelves that I still don't feel old enough to read, and I'm going on 50...

"A walk in the park..." Yes, it really was like that, but I had dreamed about writing a book ever since I was able to write. (So the Nike slogan 'Just do it' is not so bad, eh?) Only I don't think I'd have the stamina to collect rejection letters (as I heard Janet Evanovich had to do before someone realized how great her Plum novels were) and still send out manuscripts again and again.

gatfb - go at things, feel better!

 
At 6/8/06 1:22 PM, Anonymous said...

CG: what about foreign rights? Will your books ever be published in English? That would be cool. If they are you must tell us. Blogging is a great way to increase your fan base even if it's just tacking yourself to big stars like J&B. *grin* For the most part, we're readers first, writers second.
Zaza: there is a contest called The Emily, it's out of West Houston chapter, check it out:
wwww.whrwa.com
Deadline is October 4th.
They give great feedback and have a terrific reputation. You can't enter if pubbed in the past five years, so I'm ineligible, otherwise I would. I can enter the Molly in 2007, which is also a fab contest with good feedback and will be doing that. The beauty of these two contests is, if you don't have an agent and you final, you can get your work before the eyes of those houses which are normally off limits to the unagented.
rg
evmiqzhv
every mind is questioning zaza's hateful violation

 
At 6/8/06 1:33 PM, ZaZa said...

colognegirl said...
when I found out that you write "DH" when you talk about husbands.

From what I've seen and heard discussed, those (DH, DD, MIL etc.) are just abbreviations to save typing the whole thing out. They also afford a level of privacy - no names required. There was quite a long thread on the ChickLit list a couple years ago with authors debating the issue of safety, i.e., do they really want people knowing their children's names, or enough about family to allow a stalker or other weirdo to appear to be a family intimate? Of course, the answer was no. Jenny's daughter is an adult and in business, so it's not so much an issue for her. Then, too, with a group this size, it's enough to be able to remember members without adding a list of kids and spouses we'll never meet. ;+) Probably more than you wanted to know.

And a huuuuge congrats on the books! Can you do your own "translation" to English??? If your publisher either only bought German-language rights or wants to market it in the US/UK, you could probably do a better job than someone else. Hint. Hint. Now you've tantalized us with a book by a CB, we're going to be full of suggestions for getting it into English so we can read it too.


CG and MCB, Getting Rid of Bradley is one of my favorite Crusies. I love that book. The green hair, the dogs, the hero. The dialogue has me laughing harder than any of her other books. For WTT and FI, it's the community I love, and Phin and Davy. *griiin*

ryxho (blue)
Robena yec's Xavier, her ova (egg, you guys)

guess typing the word verification in here isn't enough to keep blogger happy ;+)

wmmejc (red)
we must meet every Jenny Crusie

 
At 6/8/06 1:41 PM, ZaZa said...

RG said...
The Emily, it's out of West Houston chapter...the Molly in 2007, which is also a fab contest with good feedback

Thanks! I'll go check them out. I don't know why I've never entered the GH. I have four finished mss. I'm just really bad about writing synopses and doing the who subbing thing. Love to write, hate those things, which, I hear a huge chorus of "me too," most authors do. But it takes just the right thing to get me moving. The challenge just might be the thing. I've worked in non-fiction writing in various fields for years, so I'm like the old fire horse, with a deadline (or challenge) being my fire bell. LOL! Otherwise it's just me entertaining myself.

Thanks! Oh, where do I find the Molly? Not that I want you to do all my work for...well, yes, it is that I want you to do all the work for me. /;+)

nhwepe (green)
it's what you are after you've been crying long enough to stuff up your node

 
At 6/8/06 1:43 PM, Mary said...

Oh good, Bon Cheri. So long as no one minds my nonsense, I'm free to babble blissfully.
Um... has anyone else actually read The Worm Ouroboros?


Talpianna boasted:
MOLES are totally beloved by all civilized beings!
I'm not sure about that. Can we say "most" civilized beings? I was re-reading Henry Vaughan's I Saw Eternity the Other Night and I ran across these lines:

Yet digg'd the mole, and lest his ways be found
Work'd under ground...
O fools (said I) thus to prefer dark night
Before true light,
To live in grots and caves, and hate the day...


Am I reading the wrong kind of literature? I don't recall any pro-mole mentions in the Crusie canon... is Bob's writing pro-mole?

 
At 6/8/06 1:44 PM, Anonymous said...

Jen T-
I saw a license plate and thought of you. HKY SHO4.

lbooth

 
At 6/8/06 3:05 PM, orangehands said...

lbooth: haven't seen for awhile, and then you come out with just one measly line? (funny line, but still).

erica: always write a lot if you want. as you can see with Mary, we like babblers :) plus, i write a lot. i call it "catching up", but mostly, i just have a lot of nonsense to say.

Theresa in Pgh said "I've yet to have someone explain to me though the role of roaches in the ecological scheme of things."

their role is to show that no matter how advanced humans are or how much we destroy the world, they will be there, on the floor, freaking you out. no matter what. FOREVER.

CG: first, CONGRATULATIONS, and when do we get it in English? come on, we can whine with the best of them. and second, the DH, GAM, etc, that is laziness and mostly sarcasm on my part.

louis: you forgot the word icky. (first i word that came to mind)

zaza said "For WTT and FI, it's the community I love, and Phin and Davy."

i love all Crusies almost the same amount (FI and BM are my absolute faves), and while i did love WTT, Phin is the only hero that just annoyed me. i could see his appeal at times, and he did make me laugh, and he had the coolest daughter (the first Crusie kid?), but he was too much of a jerk for me most of the time.

just learnt a new word. to widdle is to play the guitar fast.

 
At 6/8/06 3:37 PM, Louis said...

To widdle is icky...

Couldn't resist.

Though I like to listen to a fast playing guitar or banjo.

vltcot red

very little time, Crusie on thoughts

 
At 6/8/06 4:06 PM, Mary said...

I thought widdling was something that a puppy does on a carpet. (Or rather, something a puppy shouldn't do on a carpet or anywhere else in the house.)

vfjyp Very funny, joshing young puppies

 
At 6/8/06 4:18 PM, glamour-geek said...

OH: Emily (Maddie's daughter) in Tell Me Lies predates Dillie in WTT as a Crusie kid. And then there's Emily's friend (Treva's daughter) in there as well.

 
At 6/8/06 4:18 PM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

CG - first of all CONGRATULATIONS!!! And gee you were going to keep that all to yourself, weren't you? Just so you know, upon publication you are required by the Cherrybomb code to provide links to locations where your book cover can be viewed and/or book purchased. My German is a bit rusty not having been spoken for something like 5 generations ... but what the hey.

Re the DH abbreviations ... while I don't have one myself, somewhere in the back of my brain I've always unconsciously translated into 'southern' English, i.e., 'dear husband' is a bit like saying "that hat looks like she's wearing a dead squirrel ... bless her heart." Because everyone knows if you stick those three magic words on the end of it you can make snarky comments about someone while preserving your southern magnolia blossom genteel ladylikeness.

 
At 6/8/06 4:22 PM, glamour-geek said...

margarita sez: "that hat looks like she's wearing a dead squirrel ... bless her heart." Because everyone knows if you stick those three magic words on the end of it you can make snarky comments about someone while preserving your southern magnolia blossom genteel ladylikeness.

Ah. See, the things they don't teach you when your parents are New Yorkers. I shall have to adopt this new phraseology.

Those cherrybombs are stark-raving lunatics...bless their hearts.

Did it work?

irfke: the sound I will make when said stark-raving lunatic cherrybombs all punch me in the stomach for my snarky comments

 
At 6/8/06 4:32 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

GG: LOL. Well, you do have to be a bit more subtle.

"Oh, you say you live in Oakland? Well, bless your heart."

Like that.

Or: "I understand her daddy ran off when she was just a youngun, bless her heart."

Or: "I declare, that woman has a laugh that can raise goose bumps on a log, bless her heart."

I've lived in various parts of the South for 25 years and am still getting the hang of it. You really need a born and bred Southerner to do it up right. I still can't do the drawl, and my "y'all" always seems to come out as "you all."

bw

 
At 6/8/06 5:19 PM, orangehands said...

g-g: oh yeah, TML. well, Dillie was still cooler. i mean, those two were cool and everything, but i loved Dillie. she's got style.

MCB said "My German is a bit rusty not having been spoken for something like 5 generations ... but what the hey."

LMAO. i love that. (and my dad is back to giving me weird looks).

 
At 6/8/06 5:23 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

First of all, cologne girl congratulations. That is wonderful to have two books published. How come you were going to keep that to yourself. That is a balloons and fireworks moment. Tell everyone! good for you.

When I write DH or DD I mean it as Darling Husband and Darling or Dear Daughter, without the Bless her hearts. I feel very lucky to have the husband and daughter I do. I even have a DS but don't see him as much. He is busy with his family. So bcb not all of us mean it sarcastically.

BTW Cherrybombs You are responsible for my dreams. Last night I dreamed that glamour geek was dancing the tango, with multi-coloured snakes twined around her arms and neck. Not LOL stuff. YucK!


blue ewzjmwfa

EW Zaza, Jenny meant writers fake arachnaphobia.

red jsdor

Jenny sees Doherty only rarely.

 
At 6/8/06 5:28 PM, glamour-geek said...

BCB: Only spent 3+ years in the South, so never quite got the hang of it, I guess.

I'm more used to hearing phraseology like that of the Bob School of Driving: Get outta my @*#*#^%&*&@* way! I'm tryin' to drive, here! Pick a #^%&^@#! lane here, lady!

Although, when driving, I used to sound more like a Canadian schoolmarm. "I beg your pardon! That was my right of way, sir."

Now I have adapted to my current abode (bless my heart): "Yo! Dude! Try to stay in your own lane, already!"

See, I'm multicultural. Travel broadens the vocabulary.

SDCB: back off with the snakes already. Eek! *shudder*

 
At 6/8/06 5:41 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

Scope Dope: Well, geez, everyone knows you're married to a GAM and have produced PP (perfect progeny), so of course you aren't being sarcastic when you say it. I think Dee falls into that enviable category, as well.

I do believe I said I wasn't speaking for everyone, and I certainly wouldn't presume to speak for all the Canadians, bless your hearts. (kidding, I'm kidding -- you know I love you)

G-G wrote: I'm more used to hearing phraseology like that of the Bob School of Driving: Get outta my @*#*#^%&*&@* way! I'm tryin' to drive, here! Pick a #^%&^@#! lane here, lady!

Ah, perhaps you've also ridden with my DD and DS (who are not always so "darling" when behind the wheel). Growing up in Minnesota, I guess I learned from a driving school that was closer to Canadian. Of course, I'm probably more adept at dodging farm equipment on the interstate.

bw

 
At 6/8/06 6:14 PM, ZaZa said...

glamour-geek said...
I'm more used to hearing phraseology like that of the Bob School of Driving: Get outta my @*#*#^%&*&@* way! I'm tryin' to drive, here! Pick a #^%&^@#! lane here, lady!

Thanks for the reminder. I laughed so hard at that the first time around. That's me. My mother calls that road rage. I think it's justifiable commentary. After all, if people could stay inside one lane and not meander all over the place, I wouldn't need to scream at them.

When I lived on the East Coast, every time I'd been to NYC for a few days, I drove like an absolute maniac when I got back to the Baltimore/DC area. It's like there's no brake in the car, so you have to swerve from lane to lane and honk at people who are in your way. You surely can't stop the car! No, no. At least that's my take on NYC drivers. I once got all the way from the Beltway to Georgetown on Wisconsin Ave without a single stop. Heh. Anyone who's driven it knows what an accomplishment that is.

Probably a good idea of Bob and a few of us CBs weren't on the same roads at the same time. Could be disastrous. /;+)

gkucz (red)
"Geez! Keep up!" car zombies.

 
At 6/8/06 6:21 PM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

Zaza said I once got all the way from the Beltway to Georgetown on Wisconsin Ave without a single stop.

LOL!!! Was it at 3 a.m.? Hon you have to go with BCB and I on our next 'trip.' G-G said "Travel broadens the vocabulary" but with us I think the vocabulary considerably broadens the travel.

And speaking of BCB who said ... Of course, I'm probably more adept at dodging farm equipment ...

"well, they don't go very fast."

name that quote!

 
At 6/8/06 6:35 PM, Anonymous said...

Hey Zaza. The Molly isn't until the spring of 2007. You can go on and read about the 2006 contest though, www.hodrw.com (Heart of Denver chapter)

My friend won in her category this year and then was a finalist in the Golden Heart, she didn't win but I'm so proud of her. She swears the feedback she got from the Molly was amazing.

Just finished packing. The dog is depressed and I'm feeling guilty. I leave for Australia tomorrow and this will be the longest time I'll have left her since moving here and away from DD and DS. I have a young vet's assistant live in and take care of her and the house, but it's not the same. They get along well and the gal loves her but geez when I returned from National Nikki's whole body was shaking so badly with excitement she widdled on the floor. Thank goodness we'd reunited in the tiled hallway. *grin* I thought it was sweet but she was soooo embarrassed, she cowered and slunk back to the bedroom. I had to tell her that girls do that sometimes and that it's really okay, maybe I'll have to buy Depends for dogs. Do they make those?
rg
hmyme Hi, my me

 
At 6/8/06 6:38 PM, Anonymous said...

upon consideration of my original question and after the application of gin and tonic over three days I have to conclude that a bacquet might in fact be a baguette.
I hope the Frenchman wasn't sweating.

sarqix: snarky always, rarely quiet in Xanadu.

 
At 6/8/06 6:52 PM, Jen-t said...

Boy, you people were busy when I was on the road, then visiting with my brother's wife and daughter. Geez. Fun stuff.

Congrats CG! That is so cool!

Umm - lbooth - dang stupid question - but why would HKY-SH04 remind you of me? Hunky shark, summer of 04?

Okay, must drive from cottage to home, so I'm off for the night. Haven't seen my hubby in like forever. I was at National, when I got back he went to, I forget, but somewhere, then I took off to NH and tomorrow he leaves for Virgina, I think, then he goes to HN to pick up the child who has given me gray hair and heart burn, so well, I promised to join him in the vibrating bed for a movie.

Good night!

 
At 6/8/06 7:01 PM, Nanaimo G said...

I just had to post My DH [no tongue in cheek.] Eh I am Canadian [seen the beer comercials?] anyhoo
On a cushion in a crafty shop

"What! Chocolate isn't a vegtable?"

I thought of y"all [not a southern bone in my body, just like the expression] and LOL had a few funny looks but what the hay
hmrjdrx green spring to mind Jimmy hendrixs
too late
aswqx red Ah so wicked Quinn xclaimed

 
At 6/8/06 7:10 PM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

Who wants to call Jen and tell her that her kid is in NH and her husband is going to HN (which I'm not even sure where that is.) Never mind, she's had enough stress.

chwyq: Old English for 'when did they move New Hampshire?'

 
At 6/8/06 7:18 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

Jen, once you've stopped vibrating:

HKY-SH04

hockey chauffeur (or sho-for if you're spelling it)


MCB: pretty sure HN is somewhere in Nebraska -- don't they have Highlands there? -- at any rate, it's one of the places we are to stay out of. Too bad, cause we could offer to make the trip for her.

bw

 
At 6/8/06 7:28 PM, orangehands said...

MCB: sounds like tatter tot man of the Blue Collar Comedians. (blanking on his real name)

zaza said "My mother calls that road rage. I think it's justifiable commentary."

exactly! when people act idiotic you are allowed to tell them so. even if the windows are up and the radio's on. they can hear anyways.

truthfully, i sound worse than my dad (native New Yorker) and my mom (native LA child) put together. well, geez, looking that over i can tell why. i have LA and NY blood in me. people should be happy i don't go around hitting them all the time.

also, this reminds me of the grandma letter.

Dear loved ones,

The other day I went up to a local Christian bookstore and saw a "Honk if you love Jesus" bumper sticker.

I was feeling particularly sassy that day, because I had just come from a thrilling choir practice followed by a powerful prayer meeting, so I bought the sticker and put it on my bumper.

I was stopped at a red light at a busy intersection just lost in thought about the Lord and how good He is, and I didn't notice that the light had changed.

It is a good thing someone else loves Jesus; because if he hadn't honked, I'd never have noticed.

I found that LOTS of people love Jesus. Why, while I was sitting there, the nice man behind started honking like crazy, and he leaned out of his window and screamed, "for the love of God, GO! GO!" What an exuberant cheerleader he was for the Lord..

Everyone started honking! I just leaned out of my window and started waving and smiling at all these loving people.

I even honked my horn a few times to share in the love. There must have been a man from Florida back there, because I heard him yelling something about a sunny beach.

I saw another man waving in a funny way with only his middle finger stuck up in the air. When I asked my teenage grandson in the back seat what that meant, he said that it was an Hawaiian good luck sign or something.

Well, I've never met anyone from Hawaii, so I leaned out the window and gave him the good luck sign back.

My grandson burst out laughing; why even he was enjoying this religious experience.

A couple of the people were so caught up in the joy of the moment that they got out of their cars and started walking towards me.

I bet they wanted to pray or ask what church I attended, but this is when I noticed the light had changed.

So I waved to all my sisters and brothers, smiled at them all, and drove on through the intersection.

I noticed I was the only car that got through the intersection before the light changed again, and I felt kind of sad that I had to leave them after all the love we had shared, so I slowed the car down, leaned out of the window, and gave them all the Hawaiian good luck sign one last time as I drove away.

Praise the Lord for such wonderful folks!

 
At 6/8/06 7:28 PM, orangehands said...

geez i love that letter. didn't realize it was so long though. sorry.

 
At 6/8/06 7:35 PM, naked under my clothes said...

You know, it pays to wait till Sunday late-ish to catch up. I now know about hockey chauffeurs (confused the heck out of me at first) and honking for Jay-sus. Spent some good time in the South, I did. Being the snark that I am, I blessed many a heart during that time.

oqshpzea: sound my DAlmostH (tongue out of cheek) makes when he sneezes.

 
At 6/8/06 7:42 PM, wapakwoman said...

Boy- leave for a while and and the things that happen!!!
Jen-t- glad that your daughter is ok. Those calls from camp are killers. Hope you find your husband soon.

scdp- I hope you feel better. I enjoy your comments.

Cc- congtrats on the house. We will let you bask in being a homeowner for a bit, and then tell you all our horror stories. Sort of like childbirth stories for the pregnant ladies.

Bryan and Louis- you guys are way cool.

And the Grandma story just made my night.
Not much else to say here. I am a Teensy bit worried that we haven't heard more from our fearless leader, Jenny. Either it is going well, or she is on the road to whack Bob with her keyboard. I shall stay tuned to find out results.
green- norxexda. What all CB's take for their nervous condition.

 
At 6/8/06 7:56 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

wapakwoman: Jenny mustered sufficient energy to post on her Argh Ink blog -- a bunch of complaints about how busy she is, blah, blah. So at least we know she's still alive.

Truth is, she just doesn't love us anymore and can't be bothered to talk to us directly. [sniff] We're just the red-headed stepchild, surviving on the discarded scraps of affection intended for others. [sob]

Plus she knows we can amuse ourselves indefinitely.

bw

 
At 6/8/06 7:58 PM, orangehands said...

wapa: no, over on argh ink she told us she was writing four books and while she may end up underneath her desk twitching, right now she's busy writing. go read. very funny.

 
At 6/8/06 7:59 PM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

orangehands said...
MCB: sounds like tatter tot man of the Blue Collar Comedians.

Nope, that's not it.

But loved the story!

(and I nearly called myself zgentecj)

 
At 6/8/06 7:59 PM, orangehands said...

ah, see BCB answered that. and so sweetly too.

you know every time Jenny reads a comment from us she's going "bless their hearts".

 
At 6/8/06 8:01 PM, orangehands said...

MCB: it's not?

ummm...yeah, no clue. but tatter tot man did do that about deer.

 
At 6/8/06 8:02 PM, orangehands said...

which, after rereading your comment, i see you knew.

 
At 6/8/06 8:06 PM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

orangehands said...
you know every time Jenny reads a comment from us she's going "bless their hearts".

*spit take*

 
At 6/8/06 8:45 PM, Jen-t said...

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, okay, like I'm really freaking tired. You all try to white knuckle it through three states to get to your child! Geez, but I get it now HKY SH04 - yeah, that's me. Someone said something about GAM being God amongst Mothers! Yeah, well right not, that is me. Have to wake up at 5:45 every freaking morning this week to get middle child to mandatory hockey camp. Then, he's got practice every T/TH for the rest of the summer at 7am! What is up with that. Just because his coach has a job and has to be there by like 9:30, we have to suffer! Geez, it's summer, what happened to teenagers that sleep in.

Umm, guys - I don't think it's that Jenny doesn't love us anymore - but well, I think she and he, well, they sit back, read the blogs, watch it hit 100, bob goes by by, and we keep on talking, rarely about whatever the topic is, and they think, Gee, they don't need us. They just keep talking and talking and talking. Jenny e-mails Bob - "Bob, they don't need us anymore. They just keep talking to each other, every once in a while mentioning us."

Bob replies. "Who?"

Jenny says, "The bloggers."

Bob replies, "Who are they?"

Jenny says, "come on, Bob, you know who I'm talking about, the people who think your GAM and like Princess, or at least half of them do."

Bob replies, "Oh, yeah, smart group. What's the problem?"

Jenny sighs, "They don't need us."

Bob replies, "Sure they do. Go blog, and they will be all grateful, tell you how wonderful you are and then talk amongst themselves for 100-200 comments."

Jenny replies, "But Bob, it's your turn."

Bob says, "nope, I did it twice, it's your turn."

Jenny replies, "Okay, but you better blog before the comments hit like 100."

Bob says, "What comments."

Jenny grabs a frying pan.

Okay, just put the coins in the bed, hubby has the movie and....

Good Night from Princess Jen :)

 
At 6/8/06 8:45 PM, ZaZa said...

OH and any other kidlets who write, I saw this in the Cynthia Sterling Newsletter, speaking of comps:
"The 2007 Wallpaper Writing Contest is accepting entries from writers 13 - 19 years old. This year's contest has three categories: the Dear Diary Short Fiction contest, the What's Really Important Poetry Contest and the Haiku Me, Baby Haiku contest. Submit your short story of no more than 1000 words in the form of a diary entry, or a poem of no more than 20 lines/200 words, or an original haiku. There are cash prizes, and no entry fee. Entry deadline is April 30, 2007."
For more information.


Margarita Cherrybomb said...
Zaza said I once got all the way from the Beltway to Georgetown on Wisconsin Ave without a single stop.
LOL!!! Was it at 3 a.m.?

Nope, mid-day either Friday or Saturday. ;+)


RG said...
The Molly isn't until the spring of 2007. You can go on and read about the 2006 contest though, www.hodrw.com (Heart of Denver chapter)

Thank you! I subbed to a Yahoo list for romance contests a couple years ago and completely forgot about it. I just downloaded email on an addy I almost never use and would ya looka that! It's still better to have the tip from someone who know about these things personally. There are just too many on that Contest list to sort through. Anyone interested in joining that group, though, let me know and I'll go get the link.

vamdgnj (red)
one of the social activities at the NJ conference? digging up vampire clams?

Yikes. Blogger is going nutso.
xyteqty (red)
Xavier yelled to everyone, "Quit telling YEX!"

 
At 6/8/06 9:28 PM, talpianna said...

GatorPerson said.. I make my major contributions with data like snakes, declensions, etc.

Hey, you aren't the only person around here who knows how to decline a snake. Some of us excel at it.

Zaza: Moles do have vestigial eyes, just barely able to perceive light. (Their sensitivity to the precession of the equinoxes triggers their mating cycle.) They rely mainly on their sense of smell, their keen hearing (they do a sort of sonar, like bats), and the sensitive vibrissae (cat-like whiskers) on their face and paws.

OH:, I left you a message on your blog, which should have caused you to receive an e-mail from Blogger with my e-mail address. If you reply to me with yours, I'll put you in touch with my friend who went to Santa Cruz.

Theresa wrote: I've yet to have someone explain to me though the role of roaches in the ecological scheme of things.

Snacks for moles.

Or possibly, disproof of the theological proposition that only God can create.

Mary said... Talpianna spake forcibly:
No, no, no! A hyponotic state is what results when you are hypnotized under water...
Wait a minute, shouldn't that be a hydronotic state?


No, actually it should have been a hydroponypnotic state.

THE WORM OUROBOROS begins, essentially, with the heroes sitting around the palace lamenting how boring things have gotten lately, when an emissary arrives from their greatest enemy with a challenge. After an assortment of wars, adventures, quests, challenges, and romances, the enemy is defeated. The heroes are back in the palace, sitting around lamenting how boring things have gotten lately, when an emissary arrives....

Eddison was very into "Northernness," as C.S. Lewis called it, and translated some things from the Norse. What you have here, I think, is the embodiment of the Norse notion of Valhalla, where the heroes fight and die all day, and then at the end of the day they are resurrected to feast and drink all night. Then, next day, back to the fighting.

Or, in the words of that well-known metaphysician Conan the Schwarzenegger: "What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!"

Gotta admit, it beats the hell out of miniature golf.

Zaza wrote: ryxho (blue)
Robena yec's Xavier, her ova (egg, you guys)


Zaza, you ignorant slut, the singular of egg is ovum.

And it doesn't qualify as "road rage" unless weapons are involved.

mcb: The quote is Roarke's reply to Eve's query as to whether he'd throw himself in front of a maxibus for her (J.D. Robb)

Robena, they do in fact make doggy diapers.

drhcui -- Dear Robert, have Cherries undue influence?

 
At 6/8/06 9:38 PM, orangehands said...

tal said "mcb: The quote is Roarke's reply to Eve's query as to whether he'd throw himself in front of a maxibus for her (J.D. Robb)"

well, now that you said it i remember. sheesh.

it took me a few minutes. blog? i have a blog? oh yeah...i'll go check it out.

zaza: will check out the contest. thanks.

 
At 6/8/06 9:45 PM, orangehands said...

tal: i made a comment on your post with my e-mail address. hope that is what you were talking about. (i'm feeling very confused)

 
At 6/8/06 9:46 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

Okay, who is anonymous that drinks gin and tonic? That really sounded like Bob replied. The verification sentence sounded like he was talking about Jenny. I am probably way off base but I liked my idea. The last time he commented it showed up as him so it probably isn't. Or Jenny either.

We Canadians are so polite we only use short, four letter swear words, not those long 8%#$@*^% ones you use, in our road rage. And we do go slowly for farm machinery, of which we see lots on the side roads, here in the Niagara Region. Lots of fruit farms. Great time of year for us. /.)

Loved the Grandma letter. I have seen many Hawaiian greetings here. Not directed at perfect us of course. /,D

Yep, that's me bon cheri bomb perfect husband, perfect projeny, perfect me. Not to the last one.

green ktmelnj

Killing time, Mayer eventually lurked (and posted). Not Jenny.

 
At 6/8/06 9:53 PM, orangehands said...

tal: ok, the comment doesn't seem to be sticking to your post (something about the universe being out of whack), so if you want here is my e-mail address to send your friend:

orangehands@gmail.com

and i'll try again in a tiny bit to see if it'll stick. cheers.

and scope dope you are amazing too.

 
At 6/8/06 9:54 PM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

Ah, Tal. I knew you'd get it. I've always loved that bit. Its from WITNESS IN DEATH, and I always thought was her nod of sorts to Agatha Christie (well rather obvious that) and Ngaio Marsh (perhaps not so obvious)

 
At 6/8/06 9:57 PM, orangehands said...

tal: ok, i posted on your blog. cute. BTW. liked the place.

 
At 6/8/06 9:58 PM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

Scope Dope, I don't think that's Bob, as he's more a beer man.

Also, Anon showed up the other day asking "what the hell is a bacquet?" So he/she appears to have answered his/her own question.

 
At 6/8/06 9:59 PM, orangehands said...

tal: very slow, just figured out what you were talking about. i'll go do that then...your getting an e-mail in two minutes. ignore everything else.

 
At 6/8/06 10:14 PM, Anonymous said...

Orangehands- I was channeling Bob.

Jen T- I think you have to get sleep before your brain would go there. As it is, it took me a minute.

Keeping up has been difficult. But maybe the CB's can help.
My best friends brother is dying. We think he has a couple days. He's only 40yo and it's been difficult wrapping our head around this. If you guys have a minute, Could you maybe pray for quick and peaceful? He's in alot of pain and, well, quick and peaceful is probably the best we can hope for.

Thank you so much.
lbooth

 
At 6/8/06 10:18 PM, orangehands said...

i'm so sorry lbooth. i will hope it goes very quickly. my thoughts are with you and the family.

 
At 6/8/06 10:40 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

So terribly sorry lbooth Our thoughts and prayers go out to all of you. I will pray that it is "quick and peaceful".

 
At 6/8/06 10:48 PM, amc said...

lbooth--of course, for him and for you and his family.

 
At 6/8/06 11:02 PM, amc said...

I'm sorry--that came out wrong. Will pray for him that it's quick and peaceful, for you and the family to heal from the shock and grief.

 
At 6/8/06 11:27 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

Tal wrote: the embodiment of the Norse notion of Valhalla, where the heroes fight and die all day, and then at the end of the day they are resurrected to feast and drink all night. Then, next day, back to the fighting.

Well thank you, Tal. A succinct description of the effect of ancient practices upon modern day behavior. And here I had always thought those Viking warrior ancestors of mine were just a bunch of rapacious villians of whom I should be ashamed. Now I find they were the very pattern card of polite (and might I mention "nice") modern behavior.

lbooth: It is a sad comment on our society that quick and peaceful is the best we can hope for in death. I will pray for both, but also wish for you and yours the comfort and joy of a life well lived and the hope that comes from the lives that continue on.

And on that somber note: Scope Dope: You are made perfect by your imperfections; if you judge yourself solely by your own mirror you will miss the view as seen by others. So knock it off.

'night guys. It appears we have all lived to fight another day. With the prospect on the horizon of feasting and drinking another night away.

I tell you, this blog is flat wearing me out.

bw

 
At 6/8/06 11:59 PM, Anonymous said...

This would be gin-and-tonic anonymous, and I am not Bob.
Jeez.
I can frighten people if I need to, but I can't kill someone with my pinky.
My pointy-toe shoes, however, can be lethal.

red NWIL: now writing in laughter. bless your hearts.

 
At 7/8/06 12:08 AM, Anonymous said...

and a p.s.:
lbooth, my heart goes out to your family and your brother's friend.
it's never easy to lose someone you are close to, regardless of age.
I am neither snarky nor laughing about that.

g and t anon.

 
At 7/8/06 12:12 AM, glamour-geek said...

Welcome G-&-T-anonymous. Well someone here, quite rightly too, encouraged the lurkers to come out of the woodwork and show themselves. And here one is. Who obviously fits in with the rest of us because of: 1) the G&T, 2) Use of "Jeez" in a comment and 3) lethal pointy-toed shoes.

Nice to make your acquaintence. Please continue to join us.

lbooth: what they said. So sorry for your hurt.

My oldest friend, his wife and their lovely children (almost 3 and almost 1) were here for just under two hours. When they left, I was exhausted. That children thing is clearly for the young. And at brunch today my friend asked me (single, not dating, not wanting to date right now) if I thought I wanted to have kids. And I said I didn't know (though, fertility-wise, I guess I'd better decide that one pretty quickly...). After this evening, I have to wonder if I'd have the energy. Ooof. Though they are quite charming and quite adorable. Because they are my nephew and niece, of course. Most darling children ever.

But still exhausting.

 
At 7/8/06 12:35 AM, Anonymous said...

I have lurked and posted, g-g, but henceforth I shall be known as G&T.

I feel for you and the visiting children. at my local and locally owned bookstore, there's a card with a retro 50s woman on the cover and the announcement: "I thought I child-proofed my home, but they keep coming back!" or something.

I, too, am exhausted at the end of visits with children -- sometimes even driven to drink -- although I find them to be generally hilarious and wise.
I, too, am up against a tight deadline on childbearing, but unless deus ex machina cracks the whip right about ... now, that ship will have sailed.

I can't believe my mother had the energy to raise three kids and work while suffering debilitating back pain, but she did. If you need the energy, you get the energy.

It's a tough thing, this modern woman stuff.

G&T

green: mwiyh
my wish is your hope

 
At 7/8/06 12:46 AM, talpianna said...

lbooth--Very sorry for your friend's suffering--sending good vibes and prayers.

 
At 7/8/06 12:52 AM, Louis said...

ibooth...

Hugs and prayers.

G&T...

Welcome...pointy shoes and all.

Mothers are wonderful and amazing people.

ostgpit red

others share time, generally people inspire tempers

 
At 7/8/06 12:59 AM, orangehands said...

welcome G&T.

mothers are scary. i mean by how much they can do and be. fathers are amazing (and great ones are a dream come true), but a good mother is quite frankly worth her weight in gold. or chocolate.

 
At 7/8/06 1:21 AM, Conscripted Cherry said...

lbooth- prayers are winging their way for you and yours

newbies- welcome
lurkers- shame on you. We need someone new to hara... er, uhm, play with

reading material- when I was in junior high I was reading the M*A*S*H books- loved them- the agreement was I could read anything I wanted and could ask about anything I didn't understand, but then I'd have to talk to my parents about it, or I could do research on my own and then ask if I still had questions. The dictionary became my best friend that summer- that's also when I started reading James Bond- I remember the uproar when I went into 8th grade English and had a book with someone names Pussy Galore in it- the boys were teasing, the girls were horrified, and I was clueless. After all, it was just the name of a charachter. If they wanted something to twitter and giggle about they should have read some of the scenes in the early 1980s romances I didn't bring to school. Some of them still make me blush.

personal note- my BF(boyfriend) and some amazing friends helped me get moved this weekend. BF and I spent today putting new locks on teh doors adn things like that. I'm almost out of the apartment. I have to get a few things moved, move my freezer, and scrub it clean. And since I lived there 9 years it really needs scrubbed.

best thing about moving? finding books you had forgot about

sandxgd- it's renovation shorthand for the areas that need to be sanded extra good

 
At 7/8/06 1:30 AM, Nanaino G said...

lbooth, so sorry for all he isso young to die comforting thoughts coming your way

 
At 7/8/06 1:31 AM, Anonymous said...

Sending all good thoughts your way ibooth. It's never easy no matter how prepared we think we are.

Glad you're chiming in, G&T Anon, and welcome.

And, Zaza and Tal, ovum, ova, what the heck, I ain't parting with any of my goodies. So there.

OH, loved your story.

I told Bob at National that when the blog gets past 100 we say, "Great, now we can talk dirty." Soooo ... mud, mud, mud!
rg
nezvblw
Nezva blew (her nose)

 
At 7/8/06 2:57 AM, ZaZa said...

lbooth, my prayers for your friend's brother and for everyone who has to say good-bye to him. Be strong and be sure he knows that he's loved.


talpiana said...
Zaza, you ignorant slut, the singular of egg is ovum.

Hmmm. Now that you mention it. ;+))))

qavifdi (green)
Quite a vigorous inquiry found Delilah icky. (just for Louis)

 
At 7/8/06 3:29 AM, orangehands said...

CC: nine years? hoy boy, have fun with that scrubbing.

i remember reading a very graphic anatomy book and my teacher was going "that's really inappropriate dear" and i kept going "yeah, but it's really fun". then when she'd get red i would switch to "it's for research".

actually, it was. the story i was writing at the time had a very disturbed killer. when i turned it in that went over even better.

sometimes i am surprised that woman didn't kill me. (really didn't help that my brother- a troublemaker- had her two years before me and she was already gunning for me).

nlaxhv: no lax hives. make those bees work.

 
At 7/8/06 3:51 AM, colognegrrl said...

Dear Cherry Bombs (DCB, bless your hearts),
if you ever stumbled over a German contemporary romance novel (I'm not talking Nobel prize material) that was translated into English and successfully sold in America, let me know. It works the other way around - not only for Jenny or J. Evanovich and the likes who really deserve it, but also for rather lousy authors, bless their hearts - but I don't think that I'll ever make it. Particularly not since my stories are situated in small-town Germany and who cares about that over there? Here, the devil doesn't wear Prada but rubber boots instead.

At present, I'm content knowing that I'll be published at all. I've done all I could and the rest is up to the readers, bless their hearts. But I promise to post the link to the book cover once it's out, so you can at least check that out.

Well, by that time the blog will be gone, since it will be in the summer of 2007. What will we ever do then? Stick to the last entry of Dec. 31, divide it into weeks, and bravely keep posting while our mouse wheel runs hot from scrolling so much?

 
At 7/8/06 9:12 AM, Anonymous said...

Dear CherryBombs,
I just woke up and felt that everything is gonna be alright. After checking the blog(no better way to start my day)I realize...You guys are miracle workers. I can't thank you enough. All your prayers meant so much.

lbooth

 
At 7/8/06 9:16 AM, Jen-t said...

lbooth - My thoughts and prayers are with you, your brother and his friend and family during this difficult time.

GT - Welcome, but keep those dang pointy shoes away from. I have issues with pointy shoes since my feet are so freaking big, I can't wear them without looking like a clown!

I have three kids, who keep me hopping. I always feel bad when my mom comes or we go there because she wants so badly to just enjoy the kids, spoil them, and she does, but the last visit, we kept catching her snoozing on the couch. She needed it, my crew thinks she and grandpa are their personal play toys.

OH - I so can't wait for my daughter to realize how great I am. But why can't it happen before she leaves for college (okay, I've got three years, so lets get working on her.)

RG - Um, I don't need to wait for the blog to go over 100 to talk dirty - I always talk dirty.

CC - um, so glad you got help moving, but a little advice dear, if you cleaned you freeze about twice a year, well you wouldn't have 9 years of crud to clean. Geez, now I sound like my mother. I hate it when that happens.

And about this blog ending - we'll deal with that at the end of the year. I've got lots of ideas (no, none of them include a vibrating bed, geez.)

Have a great day guys, I'll touch base later. I have to write.

 
At 7/8/06 9:51 AM, RSS said...

I can't decide whether it's a problem to skip the blog on a Sun nights because I'm worn out from having 3 eleven yo and one 8 yo over for the entire weekend and have so many posts to catch up on or whether I should do it all the time because I love starting Mon morning off with bursts of laughter.

OK which comment first

BCB I meant we got along well when we met in Atlanta not that we no longer...but you know that. Greatly appreciate your help.

OH love your take on the purpose of roaches and the grandma letter was hilarious.

On "southern" vs "northern", my DH does consulting and travels. He spent a couple of years working mostly in the south--TX and GA then was shifted up to NY. His language changed immediately to f**k this etc. shocking little ole southern me. He said that was the word of choice in the office where he was working, bless his heart. BTW, "bless her/his heart" is not a Virginia phrase at least not where I grew up but I'm adopting it and will probably be blessing my sisters' hearts frequently.

Welcome G&T.

JenT glad you are back safely. Sorry you are already up and moving with the boys. 4:45 in the summer? Isn't there a law against that?

MCB and Zaza you have me gasping with laughter.

RG: mud, mud, mud. I love it. I just love it. Have a great trip. Nikki will forget how long you have been gone minutes after you return. It is hard leaving them.

Colognegirl: I personally love stories about small town life in countries outside the U.S. and wish I could find more of them. You make me want to order your book and sit down with a G/E dictionary but taking 5 years to read it would probably cause me to lose the thread. Rubber boots vs Prada, I'll take the rubber boots everytime tho I loved that book.

MCB: You'd think the German gene would help with the language wouldn't you even if it is 5 generations back (That's about right for me too.) After all, all those ancestors of ours spoke the language for centuries.

ibooth: you and your friends have my prayers and good wishes. It is so hard to see someone you care about in pain.

 
At 7/8/06 10:08 AM, mcb said...

lbooth - praying that all concerned find peace.

G&T - Welcome! We would have welcomed you before, but then we didn't know who you were!

CG - Re translations into English, never say never. It only takes the right book, the right translation, and a publisher willing to try something new. The world becomes a smaller place every day so its only a matter of time.

Kids ... I really enjoy my sister's and love spending time with them. But they do take a lot of energy. Parenting ain't for wimps, that's for sure. I think caring for a group of young kids ought to be required of all teenage girls.

I don't like the idea of the blog ending, but if that horrible day ever comes we'll need someplace to go. I don't think I can leave ya'll cold turkey, bless your hearts.

 
At 7/8/06 10:11 AM, Anonymous said...

Colognegrrl: Bless your heart, I think you've got it!!!! *grin*

J-T The daughter thingy is about right 15-18 they totally seperate from mom then they start to inch back a little through the college years. By 21-23 they start being friends. Bless their little hearts *grin*
My daughter is very close to me now and we can talk about anything but I still remember the cold shoulders, the slammed doors, the sulking. Girls. We're great, aren't we?
Off to Aust. today so not sure if I'll be blogging. So 'bye for now and if you don't hear from me, I'll catch up in a couple of weeks.
Once I get to the rainforest area, cell phones and television is difficult, so I'm sure no internet. *grin*
The claim to fame is the environment is the entertainment. Bring on the snakes and spiders. Oh and Talpi, I haven't stopped singing that darn song:
(Walks off singing:
'I don't like spiders and snakes
And that ain't what it takes to love me
You fool, you fool
I don't like spiders and snakes
And that ain't what it takes to love me
Like I want to be loved by you')

rg
yavky, Y'ave the key? (mate)

 
At 7/8/06 10:29 AM, RSS said...

Something totally weird just happened. I googled my name because in the talk B,J & Mollie did for the Pro group in Atlanta they recommended registering your domain name even if you aren't setting up a Website yet. There was my name and quotes so I went to see who this person was and what she said. Imagine my surprise. It was me and the quotes were from our local paper after our fire. Really weird. I had no idea I would come up when I googled.

 
At 7/8/06 10:53 AM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

anonymous g&t thanks for clearing that up. I was sure it sounded like something Bob would say but normally he comments under his name. He can't read this now anyhow.

Okay bon cheri bomb I'll knock it off. If you can't see what I see in my mirror we are fine. /,)

rg loved the dirty talk. We should do more of it. swamp swamp swamp. A five letter dirty word.


blue aryktl

All right y'all, kissing & telling lives.

 
At 7/8/06 11:16 AM, Anonymous said...

Jen-t: I happily slide my size nines into pointy shoes every day.
I even have kinda pointy sneakers.
There's a pointy shoe out there for everyone, I have faith!

G&T

 
At 7/8/06 11:20 AM, Erica said...

Okay, every body, ignore me for a moment - I'm indulging in a tantrum...

*scowling*
I was reminded today why I love Jenny Crusie heroines. A friend convinced me to read a romance novel she bought (for 10 cents, which should have stopped me right there) and after much harping on how good it was on my friend's part, I took it home.

Before the first chapter was up, I wanted to strangle Miss Peabrain-to-weak-and-stupid-to-kick-ass and murder Mr I'm-just-doing-what-I-was-told-and-gee-aren't-I-handsom!

If that chick was a Crusie girl, that man would have been b*#ch-slapped and/or beaten to a pulp! Preferably the latter :D

Wall-banger alert!! Grrr...
(except, I can't chuck it at the wall. Can't risk damaging someone else's book - books are sacred :P )



*huff*



Ok. I'm calm now. Very Zen.



Go about your business people! Nothing to see here.


(red) wvjxsd: with vexed judgment, x-terminating soppy drivel!

 
At 7/8/06 11:27 AM, glamour-geek said...

mcb sez: I think caring for a group of young kids ought to be required of all teenage girls.

I spent the summer I was 15, when I could not get a job legally because I was under age, taking care of two kids, 8-12 hours a day, 5 or 6 days a week. I think for $2.50/hour(!). The older was 6, small for his age, and could manage just fine. The younger was 4, severely mentally and physically disabled, epileptic, and with a vocabulary of about 6 words (which is probably true today as well, if she survives). When you have diapered a kicking, screaming 4-year-old, well... Perhaps this is one of the reasons I remain childless?

But my friends' kids who are my nephews and niece sure are adorable. Just lovely, sweet, happy little things and awfully fun to play with. And I love being the "crazy aunt." I do love children. Just in small doses these days. But I'm thinking someday when my schedule is more regular that joining Big Brothers Big Sisters would be great. Have any of you done that?

 
At 7/8/06 11:34 AM, Cherry Magic Sheryl said...

lbooth - I'm glad we can offer comfort and prayers. It is always good to know people care

OH - you crack me up. Actually, you're not alone,everyone here makes me smile And Ron "Tater Salad" White is the blue collar comedy guy

CG - you'd be surprised at what people over here like to read. Books set in other countries are very popular, the whole Year in Provence series is an example. We'll find a way to keep track of your book, and if we all demand(imagine that CBs demanding something) and English version, who knows what can happen.

I need some CB help. How would an Aussie express shock and amazement? Crikey is the only expression I could think of and you can thank Steve Irwin for that mental image : )

I'm off to revise, revise, revise then go attend to Scope Dope. I've been telling her for years how beautiful and wonderful she is but she thinks I'm biased, and have to say that. Doesn't she remember when I was 13 and hated my ENTIRE family! I outgrew it by the time I was 17 for sure, maybe sooner. There's hope JenT : )

"Talk amongst your selves" - Mike Myers a great Canadian

 
At 7/8/06 11:39 AM, Erica said...

That depends, cherry magic sheryl, on what words are allowed :D

 
At 7/8/06 11:40 AM, Cherry Magic Sheryl said...

My first Crusie was Charlie All Night. My critique group devoured that book, page by page, line by line, for months trying to figure out how exactly she managed to be that brilliant in a category romance. She broke all the rules and entertained the crap out of us in the process. Been hooked ever since.
My first GAM book was Bodyguard of Lies. The ending made me want to drive to a barrier island and tie him to the desk until he finished it. Sorry, channeled Stephen King there for a minute. Again, I've been hooked evr since.

So when you put the two of them together, of course I check here repeatedly throughout the day,hoping for a handful of words to feed my addiction

The Cerrybombs are a very happy bonus

 
At 7/8/06 11:44 AM, Bryan said...

Scope Dope,

I think this is something you asked like 100 comments or so ago, but no, Friday is not Starbuck's day. Starbuck's Sunday takes place on Sunday, though this week I splurged and had Starbuck's Saturday as well.

I can't believe I went 48 hours without checking e-mail or blogs. Wow.

I'm trying to cut back for a couple reasons. First, I'll be on the road the last couple weeks of August and I'm not sure how much online time I'll get. Second, I'm way behind in my writing and need to get caught up before I go on the road and fall behind again.

 
At 7/8/06 11:45 AM, Cherry Magic Sheryl said...

Erica - I have "holy Crap" as a place marker while I continue, but that's an expression I would use, not everyone else
Considering he's just had his neck broken by a demon, been healed by a Messenger of the gods and now watched the landscape be returned to its pre-demon state, I think strong language would be expected. Wow just wouldn't cut it : )
I don't know if being a diver in Perth would make any difference to his dialect
Thanks

 
At 7/8/06 11:50 AM, Bryan said...

Mary,

I see that in my 48 hour absence you now have half the CBs in the cauldron. After you were kind enough to release me, I... well, skeedaddled outta there.

For now, you still have the final word. We'll see if it lasts.

 
At 7/8/06 11:53 AM, Erica said...

*giggling as various (mostly rude) possibillities occur*

Okay, so maybe I'm not the best person to ask, lol

Place would have some affect, I think, and I haven't got a clue what the difference would be for Perth - I'm a Queensland girl all the way :D


I've got no idea whether this will help or not... http://www.aussieslang.com/slang/australian-slang-a.asp

... you know, aussie-dry-wit taken into consideration... he might say wow, or some equivelent, lol


I like holy crap :D

I was thinking 'bloody hell' before you explained the situation, but I don't think it fits in that context...

*thinking*

 
At 7/8/06 11:59 AM, Erica said...

*looking through the aussie slang site*... some of these are definately not used in my area... but then again, maybe that's just my age and social group *shrugs*

sorry. Not very helpful *sigh*

 
At 7/8/06 12:05 PM, Cherry Magic Sheryl said...

yes you were. I looked at that site and didn't see anything that suited. I'll leave it holy crap for now. If you think of anything...Thanks for trying

 
At 7/8/06 12:27 PM, Cherry Magic Sheryl said...

Bryan - you've been busy on your own blog. I hope your vacation is everything you need, and want it to be. Bananas weigh a lot, and half the CBs don't like them so you're safe there.

 
At 7/8/06 1:17 PM, Bryan said...

cms,

I try to post every day except Sunday. I posted first thing Saturday morning and then didn't log on again until this morning. That's probably the longest I've gone without internet in a year and a half when we had twenty inches of snow and one of the plows knocked out my cable box... that was four days without.

 
At 7/8/06 1:46 PM, orangehands said...

rg: have a safe trip.

erica: my friend just gave me one of those books. i hate those books. TSTL heroines and men that deserve torture devices. but, it's a book, so i have to treat it with care.

CMS: bloody hell doesn't work? (not sure if that's actually an aussie phrase also but i love that. i use that. which makes me sound like an idiot because then you have a girl going "You know, it was so bloody stupid, like, you know?" ok, i've never sounded like that in my life, but it still sounds stupid. can't help myself though)

off to the gym for a few hours (damn g-g and her "oh, bootcamp, i went down x minutes in running"). well, i will be as soon as mom gets out of the bloody bathroom.

see? CA girls just don't do it well.

 
At 7/8/06 2:01 PM, glamour-geek said...

OH sez: (damn g-g and her "oh, bootcamp, i went down x minutes in running")

Well, rest assured I'm not doing as well as I hoped. I'm blaming this on the pulled muscle in my leg, because I can't push the cardio part of my workouts as much as if it didn't hurt. I had my measurements today. I was aiming for losing another 2% body fat. Um, no. But I did lose 1.3%. Not as good as hoped, but still ok. I've actually *gained* lbs., but that's because I've also gained 4 more lbs muscle. I can't believe I'm still gaining muscle at that rate, but I have been pushing the weights where I haven't been pushing the cardio. And my waist measurement is *slightly* larger (sob!) than it was, though I've lost a little off my hips again.

Slowly, slowly. I wish there was a magic wand to make this easier, but no such luck. It just takes plain hard work.

This week off; new session begins next Monday. Hopefully with a more healed leg than I currently have.

And, if you're interested, I asked my instructor how much she works out to keep herself so strong. Basically an hour a day, but you have to keep up the intensity, keep your heart rate up during that hour, and have a reasonably active life in general so that sometimes you're getting more than your hour of cardio and weights. But it's nice to know it's possible without devoting 90% of your waking hours to this stuff.

It's just hard work. Did I mention that? Sigh.

Back to cleaning the kitchen. That's my cardio for the day. Maybe I'll try for a walk later if the cloud cover ever disperses.

 
At 7/8/06 2:07 PM, btuda said...

Hmm. Bob's last blog was titled, "238" and I think I'm #238 on this blog.

I need a life.

One last comment on the snake phobia. I have a friend, the only one at work I could share my Buffy obsession with, whose husband had a few snakes as pets. One morning she was complaining that her husband dumped flour all over the floor in the kitchen.

Did he bake something?
No.
Did he drop the bag?
No.
He dumped the flour on the floor so he could see where his escaped snake had been overnight.

All together now, "Erghughahhh!" (the sound of a full body convulsion with the heebie-jeebies)

 
At 7/8/06 2:09 PM, btuda said...

I wasn't #238 anyway. Oh well.

uzltso: A really strong drink.

 
At 7/8/06 2:14 PM, glamour-geek said...

238. Isn't that a Uranium or Plutonium isotope? Does that make us all radioactive?

Or maybe just "hot". :)

 
At 7/8/06 2:23 PM, Bryan said...

I think all the CBs are hot!

But damn girl, if you keep having that kind of "disappointing" success, I might have to get on the ball and join a gym next year. Pictures of me might have to wait until August of next year.

 
At 7/8/06 2:42 PM, ZaZa said...

Bryan said...
I'm way behind in my writing and need to get caught up before I go on the road and fall behind again.

If you don't have a laptop, write in longhand. I used to have a little, voice-activated tape recorder in my car, so I could "write" on the road. Now, many of the MP3 player-type thingees include voice recording. You never know when inspiration is goig to hit, especially with the way you (and I) write, so you have to be prepared so you don't lose the good stuff.



CologneGirl, this would be a good time for some entrepreneurship. You get a bunch of authors over there to write their own English versions, and we set up an ebook website to sell the stories. Very little cost, your time, of course, but it would give us voracious readers some knew and interesting stuff to read. Also, if we/you actually did that, and the books were selling, you could maybe find an English-language publisher to put them out in print. Of course, it all depends if your publisher owns all rights or just the German-language rights.

Worth thinking about.

gtlzwuty (blue)
the Polish version of "Woot!"

 
At 7/8/06 2:49 PM, glamour-geek said...

zaza (and others): there's an online publisher called lulu.com that lets authors, for very little money, offer their works for sale on the web, print on demand. You folks who want limited editions, just to get your stuff out there, or to print booklets for family reunions or the like might want to investigate. And the guy who started the business is one of the good guys and this is not a scam business. My family's known him for years and I interviewed with him in June (though the job was not appropriate for my skills and I really didn't want to move). He just thinks there should be more democracy in what gets published.

bryan: the thing I've been doing is a fitness bootcamp for women. I've opted for the 5-day-a-week torture...I mean, class...and have done three 4-week sessions, though I missed 1-1/2 weeks in the second session while I was visiting my parents. During that trip, I was working out on my own and badly pulled my quad/hip flexor while sprinting. I've been struggling with that ever since.

But I have lost 5.3% body fat (though lost almost no weight, maybe a pound) and gained 12 lbs of lean muscle in 3-1/2 months. I am more compact than I was and am now down to 21% body fat. My goal is 18%...but I have no idea if I'll get there. And my timed mile run has gone from 11:14 to 9:18. My goal is to one day, once, run a mile in less than 9 minutes. This &*@#%%$# pulled muscle has been holding me back.

This is probably my last or next to last bootcamp before rainy season starts and I go back to trying to motivate myself in the gym. The class runs all year, rain or shine, but I'm not driving out there and doing push ups in the rain, dammit.

Sorry, hon, the class is in various places all over the country (and some out of the US), but is women only. So unless you want to put on a corset and makeup and a wig and try to fake it... ;)

 
At 7/8/06 3:13 PM, Bryan said...

Glamour-geek said: "So unless you want to put on a corset and makeup and a wig and try to fake it..."

But I don't have a wig.

Seriously, when I played soccer competitively was probably the best shape I was ever in. But that was... Holy time shift, Batman!... ten years ago.

I've lost a lot of muscle definition since then, and even more wind. I'd hate to think how long it would take me to run our two mile warm-up now.

 
At 7/8/06 3:30 PM, Conscripted Cherry said...

GG- re: Big Brothers/Big Sisters- was a volunteer for years- loved it- highly reccomend- unfortunately being out here in the boonies I was part of a field office that closed after losing grant funding- I'm a girl scout leader now. It gets me my kid fix without worrying about homework or orthodontist bills- and I've been with most of these girls since kindergarten (they're entering 5th grade in a few weeks) -it's been fun watching them grow up and become their own people.

 
At 7/8/06 3:56 PM, amc said...

CG--I'd love to read it. I got to see Germany from the view of someone who lived there as a foreigner, and that was really interesting--but it's not the same as an insider's perspective. Small-town Germany? Fascinating.

 
At 7/8/06 4:14 PM, orangehands said...

ok, back from the gym. 1 hr and 40 min workout. not too shabby considering i haven't been there in over four weeks. they got some new equipment since last time- hmmm.

bryan: there are probably plenty of male bootcamps like the one g-g goes to.

g-g: you are still doing amazingly well. give the leg time to rest, will ya? then you can go back to kicking butt. and thanks for the site. as soon as i write something i would actually want in print i will go there.

zaza: ah, the old days. i have cabinets filled with notebooks i wrote stories in. and great one-liners.

btuda: Erghughahhh! re snake.

 
At 7/8/06 4:21 PM, mcb said...

Argh! This is going to be long folks - feel free to skip ahead.

Had some fillings replaced back in June. I paid what they estimated my out of pocket would be, they sent claim to my insurance company. Now 2 issues have arisen: (1) the ins. co. check appears to have disappeared into the ether (still outstanding) and (2) they under 'estimated' my out of pocket by half. Apparently ins. cos. generally only cover silver fillings, not the white ones. Now, my dentist office knew this, and were familiar with my dental insurance plan. Wouldn't you think they would have factored that into the 'estimate'? To my way of thinking, twice as much as expected is not an estimate. I'm going to be talking with the office manager there shortly whereupon it will be explained that the insurance co. has agreed to put a stop payment on the original check and reissue a new one.

Realistically, once I get a revised bill from them, following payment of covered expenses from the ins. co., I think I can submit it for reimbursement by my flex plan. I think there's enough in there to cover it. But I'll need a revised statement from them minus what the ins. co. covers and then I have to submit it - all of which will take a bit of time.

***

Ah - office mgr just called me. I explained that while they are going to get their money the above has to take place first. The witch says to me "well okay but if we don't get it within 60 days we'll have to refer it to our lawyers."

With steam coming out of my ears I explained to her that I have worked with lawyers my entire adult life (true) and they don't scare me. And if it comes to that her lawyers are certainly welcome to talk to one of the 300 lawyers I work with (also true).

And for all that insurance companies get a bad rep, these guys have been great. I have explained the situation and they are going to see if its possible to issue a letter on the status of the check (old and new) so that if Ms. office mgr wants to get nasty I will have something to shove up her Pendaflex folder.

Sorry this is so long but I needed to vent. Now I must go find chocolate.

 
At 7/8/06 4:24 PM, marcia in ok said...

Conscripted cherry - thanks for taking the time to volunteer with Girl Scouts!

I also volunteer with Girl Scouts in Eastern Oklahoma. I work with a unique troop that has girls from 6 - 13 in the same troop. It is so cool to watch the older girls work to be examples to the younger ones. They really challenge each other.

In many ways, it reminds me of all the things I like about the blog. Experienced writers sharing with newbies, all the insider shorthand, and the genuine interest and concern for each other.

fytzpna - for your turn Zaza, play new amusements.

 
At 7/8/06 4:46 PM, ZaZa said...

glamour-geek said...
lulu.com...I interviewed with him in June (though the job was not appropriate for my skills and I really didn't want to move). He just thinks there should be more democracy in what gets published.

What was the gig? And where is lulu located? This isn't the same guy who did blosm.com, is he? That was such a great initiative. It's really a shame he got smashed in the wave of dot.com failures. Email me, please, so we can talk off list. zlamarr at gmail dot com
Thanks.


As for what I was suggesting to CologneGirl, I was thinking really of ebooks and a grass roots effort to get them English-speaking readers. Setting up an ebook site is really very, very simple.

ldxsot (blue)
Lets deride Xavier so others talk.

 
At 7/8/06 5:12 PM, glamour-geek said...

zaza: nope, he was one of the founders of Red Hat Linux and also owns the Hamilton Ti-Cats Canadian Football team now. Bob Young. Really nice guy who's decided that now that he's made all this money it's his responsibility to do great things with it...he and his wife have endowed several very cool university programs and other not for profits. Will email you.

For the record, Lulu is in Hamilton, Ontario, at the Ti-Cats' office right now and the gig was as Bob's executive assistant. We all came to the conclusion that, though they are lovely people, I'm quite beyond that position and would get bored really quickly. Would have been a great job for me 10-15 years ago...

 
At 7/8/06 5:52 PM, RSS said...

Btuda: Your snake story made me snort my swallow of wine. And here I've been so proud of my restraint in not spitting on my computer.

GG: If you have lost one pound of weight and gained 12 pounds of myscle by my calculations you have lost 13 pounds of fat. Very good by anyone's measure. Now, I have to try harder. Phooey (I did not stamp my foot)

CB's which Crusie would you suggest for my 18 yo niece's first? (Okay, I didn't mean that to sound dirty blasted soil, soil, soil) She will be getting used to college and being away from BF.

blue nawho very southern now

 
At 7/8/06 6:13 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

Someone blessed my heart today. And she wasn't being sarcastic. Every once in a while you find a Southern Lady who really means it when she says that, and since I had just done something for her she thought was very, very nice (damn, I can tell this niceness getting to be a Bad Habit) she said it. And since laughing at that moment would have been very rude, I had to bite the inside of my cheek to keep a straight face. It hurt.

That was the bright spot in my day. The rest of it was-- well, not so much.

And now, since I believe I have earned the right to collapse in a bloody damn heap of something disturbingly close to pitiful exhaustion, I will go do so. Figure I've got at least 10 minutes before I have to make dinner.

bw

 
At 7/8/06 6:32 PM, glamour-geek said...

rss: oops, my mistake. I've gained about 8 lbs. of muscle and lost 5.3% body fat. Fat weight is down almost 10 lbs. But thank you. You CBs have been a great cheering section while I work on this.

Every time I think of the fat lost I try to visualize 10 bricks of butter that you'd buy in the grocery store, because that is 100% fat and comes in pounds. That's so I can try to grasp the accomplishment.

And for those wondering, you know it's been WAY too long since you scrubbed your kitchen floor (and I'm talking hands-and-knees scrubbing!) when there is a serious visible difference between the parts of the floor you've completed and the parts you haven't. That said, it's more satisfying to clean it when it's really dirty because you can see something for your work.

 
At 7/8/06 6:43 PM, orangehands said...

mcb: sorry you've been having a rough day. you too, BCB.

rss: i suggest Faking It or Bet Me because those are my favorites and she can get them from the library. well, she can also borrow them from her soon-to-be favorite aunt who gives her great books. Faking It was how i got hooked on Crusie. ah, that was a beautiful day of discovery. plus, the Dempsey five-steps will be really helpful at college.

g-g: we used to have a rug in the kitchen. after a few years my mom lifted it up and we discovered that off-white color the floor has become is more yellow when compared to the clean surface. so we got rid of the rug so it'll all match.

it's way more satisfying to clean something really dirty than just slightly dirty. i like being able to see noticable differences- like those commercials.

 
At 7/8/06 7:38 PM, GatorPerson said...

Somebody mentioned ya’ll vs you all. In my neck of the woods growing up, you all was correct. Only those frilly females who stomped their feet said ya’ll. Well, now you all know, there are many southern dialects.

I thought that snake-eating-its-tail was a Celtic symbol, usually in the form of a ring(you know, those things that go on fingers).

Snorts in general: front-ette, bless her heart (we’re REALLY good at passive aggressive), HKY SHO4, OH’s Grandma Letter, declining snakes, snake tracks in the flour.

Zaza, alas, you didn’t realize Latin eggs are neutered. If they were feminine, one would be an ova, but since they’re neutered the ovums are ova. Now isn’t that crystal clear?

MCB: I threatened to call the Better Business Bureau to some medical jerks once. That forced a positive behavior modification.

CG: Diana Gabaldon’s books are popular in German in Germany. Since some of the jokes are Scots or Gaelic, are they still funny when translated? For that matter, do you find Jenny’s novels funny? I understand the very last thing that starts working in learning a new language is being able to crack a joke in the new language.

GG: Uranium’s atomic weight is 238, plutonium’s is 242. I knew you were anxiously awaiting the answer.

Tal: You must do triple police duty starting Wednesday. I’m zipping off for a week to Seattle and Victoria, BC; so your back will be uncovered since AgT is only intermittently available.

ijhcsb: I Just Hate Caustic SoB's.

 
At 7/8/06 7:48 PM, Margarita Cherrybomb said...

GG - I always tell people who whine that they weight is coming off slow (a month and I've only lost 5 lbs - for example) to go to the grocery store and lift a 5lb bag of sugar or potatoes. 5 is such a small number that it needs reinforcement.

And every so often I do get down on the floor with a scrub brush. Waaay to much work to do all the time, but nothing else does nearly the same job. Plus mine is that dimpled lino so stuff collects in the dips and valleys. Very satisfying after you're done.

Thanks OH. Maybe its a little evil of me, but I almost enjoy it when someone threatens me with lawyers. There are a few big names in the biz that know my name, I've been around them that long. I just don't intimate any longer.

 
At 7/8/06 8:15 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

gatorperson can I say you will be Welcomed to Canada. What are you doing in that neck of the woods? I hear it is absolutely lovely there. Haven't been but would like to go.

mcb and bcb sounds like it has not been a good day although bcb got a Bless your Heart. That must count for something.

mcb some people can't help being bitchy. It is just their nature. Take pity on her, bless her heart.

Hah Ha! We will have talpianna right where we want her. Take heart orangehands there is a chance for revenge here, if you are so inclined. The moles will be unprotected when the Tal person is sleeping. Go for it.

Just tried Hagen-Dazs Mayan Chocolate Ice Cream. Wow! According to cherry magic sheryl who bought it, it tastes like an Erotic Dream, which is Baileys and Gold Schlagger(sp?). It ws really good she says. Thank you to whomever suggested it.

The funny thing about the Ice Cream was that when she found it in the store it was the only container. There was no price or ticket designating a spot for it. It was just sitting there by itself. I asked if they had a price at the cash and they decided it was $5 (Cdn. remember). She was glad to pay it. I thought it tasted very good from the bite I had. /,D

why do I always get these?
red ekvegcwd

Each killer verifies every girl Crusie writes, dies.

 
At 7/8/06 8:16 PM, dee said...

Ack. I've missed so much the past few days. I must go back and re-read about 400 comments. I will do that, I promise, because your words represent your thoughts and feelings, and those are VERY important to me. But I wanted to tell you about something...
One of the Cherry writers, Robin, has agreed to a book giveaway. So, on my book review blog, I'm having a contest, and the prize is a signed copy of Robin's new book, WEREWOLF RISING. If you have the time, check out and enter the contest. Robin is a fantab writer, and her book is bound to be amazing!
I'll be back as soon as I plow through all those comments. The new posts were great, so I know the comments will be as well!

 
At 7/8/06 8:18 PM, dee said...

Just realized that I didn't put in the address for the book review blog. If you want to check it out, head over to...

http://deeceeonbooks.blogspot.com/

Thanks for your continuing support!

 
At 7/8/06 8:18 PM, orangehands said...

GP: i just have to know- did you memorize the table and still remember it after all this time or did you look up uranium and plutonium's atomic weight?

MCB said "There are a few big names in the biz that know my name, I've been around them that long. I just don't intimate any longer."

well, at least they still remember your name even without the night before. :) intimidate. big difference. (except for in S&M).

yeah, like any other CB would have been silent about that. i would have come up with a better joke but i have a headache.

scope dope: ice cream is always worth it. :) and i'm on the sleeping mole opportunity. (operation: SMO)

 
At 7/8/06 8:24 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

P.S. cologne girl I would very much like to read your book about a small town in Germany. I lived in a small town and a small village. I loved them both. I would appreciate reading a story about such a place. I like the suggestion that you do your own translation because your writing in English is very good. It is a lot of work but look at all the cherry bombs that would buy it. /,)

Mcb you won't "intimate" anymore? Wow, intimate with 300 lawyers. You are a busy girl. /,D
You might want to change that. Or explain it.

green rhpyg

Robert has Princess, (a) yeccy girl.

 
At 7/8/06 8:31 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

Perhaps she was only intimating intimacy? Or is it imitating intimidation?

I am so tired I completely missed it. The intimidation and the intimation and the intimacy.

Yes, MCB, why don't you get back over here and explain yourself?

bw

qgbay: a place in Canada

 
At 7/8/06 8:56 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

pssst.

Y'all probably missed it (as it is so SMALL) but Jenny posted above, bless her heart. Crumbs it is. Sigh.

Just FYI.

bw

 
At 7/8/06 9:17 PM, Lulu said...

I just want to chime in on the Haagen Daz Mayan Chocolate thing. Whoever suggested it? I love you and I hate you. That is the BEST ice cream I think I have ever had. So much for easing away from the fattening stuff in my life.

I was irked to see that they thought there were 4 servings in that wee little container. But after the first few bites, I realized that yes, the serving count was off, but it was too LOW. That stuff's so rich I couldn't eat a half cup at once. And I'm no slouch about chocolate ice cream.

So, there's at least 6 servings per container. Maybe more if you eat it like I did, several small bites at judicious intervals throughout the day.

eozuar -- the rough draft of Old MacDonald's refrain.

 
At 7/8/06 9:51 PM, orangehands said...

lulu (hi, BTW) said "That stuff's so rich I couldn't eat a half cup at once. And I'm no slouch about chocolate ice cream."

well, now i'm ging to have to try that kind. (and i was being so good for the last, oh, 17 hours or so. *sigh* guess it's a really good thing i'm going back to the gym).

 
At 7/8/06 9:53 PM, orangehands said...

BTW, lulu, love that verification.

so, had to check, and yes, mary was the last person to post. good job, mary. you really kept on top of it and everything. (ten bucks says she's going to go check to make sure no one's added anything since i pointed this out).

 
At 7/8/06 10:45 PM, talpianna said...

CherryMagicCheryl: Perhaps he could say something truly incongruous, like an expression favored by my grandmother, "Isn't that just the pink limit?"

You fools! The Mole Rangers and the ChippenMole Dancers will be standing alternate watches. Both are armed--the Rangers with standard military-issue weapons and the Dancers with blackened marshmallows.

qnoftf -- abbreviation of my title, Queen of the Furry (Ones)

 
At 7/8/06 11:32 PM, Diane said...

lbooth: I'm deeply sorry about your friend, and will keep all of you in my prayers - for peace and for a good end.

Colognegirl: it is true that Americans rarely read about European women (European men show up frequently, especially Latin ones), though we are comfortable with folk from the British Isles and current and former members of the Empire. But I don't think the rubber boots are a big deterrent (unless they wear them at really weird times) - quite a lot of us (American women, I don't pretend to speak for any CBs except myself) don't wear Prada, and feel a little out-of-generation reading about heroines with navel rings, tattoos, very low-slung jeans, etc.. Not to mention those with supernatural gorgeousness. There is definitely a market for more down-home types as well, though it may not be as large. Congratulations on your success, and best of luck!

too late for a verification sentence; nsarl - when you're so angry, even the snarl comes out incoherently

 
At 8/8/06 12:03 AM, Mary said...

Orangehands, you owe me 10 bucks.

(That's only 'cause I didn't check when I saw your posting; I checked before. Hey! if you're going to call me anal retentive, watch where you put that hyphen!)

I'm glad Jenny posted. It's proof that she loves us after all & after everything. Actually, I think it's proof that she loves me best, since now that 'my' blog entry is off the main page, I no longer have to defend myself; honor is satisfied. (Why yes, I do subscribe to Pratchett's Anthropoic theory, which is that the universe was created so that Mary could sit here and type on a blog entry. In other words, it's All About Me.)

Sigh. I'm so tired I'm starting to babble (more than usual). Work is clearly a very bad thing to do if this is the result. I think I should have a doctor's note excusing me from work for the next 20 years or so.

dsieykk - Diane says isn't everything yummy, krispy kreme

(What, you want a verification sentence that makes sense? from a woman who's been pulling 14 hour work days for the past 10 days trying to put out a @#$! tech manual that no one's ever going to look at but which still has to be perfect down to the last semi-colon? Pfui, as Nero Wolfe would say)

 
At 8/8/06 12:55 AM, bon cheri bomb said...

mary wrote: Work is clearly a very bad thing to do if this is the result. I think I should have a doctor's note excusing me from work for the next 20 years or so.

Can you give me a personal referral? I need one of those notes.

bw

 
At 8/8/06 1:20 AM, ZaZa said...

Mary said...
a woman who's been pulling 14 hour work days for the past 10 days trying to put out a @#$! tech manual that no one's ever going to look at but which still has to be perfect down to the last semi-colon?

I remember those days. To think I used to love it, working sixteen hour days, under tremendous pressure. What fun! Don't think I want to do that again. Although it would depend on the product. My last manual was for a cardiac monitor, which I got to play with. Now, that was fun. I love hands on.

hjrvk (blue)
Harry just resisted veiled kisses.

 
At 8/8/06 1:41 AM, orangehands said...

mary- i'll send the ten bucks (aka the drink made with an ounce or so of liquor and lemon juice plus ginger ale, and topped with a twist of lemon) to your home, special delivery with the SF guys. never say i welsh on a bet. :)

yes, Jenny loves us. or otherwise she would have killed Bob and been done with it. but she knows how much their books mean to us, and so she writes.

Pratchett's Anthropoic theory makes perfect sense. of course i mean this when you exchange my name for mary's.

 
At 8/8/06 3:46 AM, colognegrrl said...

Thank you Cherry Bombs for all the support and suggestions concerning the English version of my book (nobody in it wears rubber boots, by the way, it was just a figure of speech) but I checked and the publisher holds all foreign rights, too. So just keep your fingers crossed that it will be a HUGE success and thus also brought across the ocean to you. But my agent told me an interesting fact: while Germany has about 80 million inhabitants and the U.S. probably 220 (right?!?), the number of books published in both countries is roughly the same per year. So you see, there's even more competition for you than for me... although he also said that probably one out of three people want to write a book and the words he used to describe the manuscripts he was offered would make an interesting addition to what SMC is looking for.

MCB - just have to comment on your dentist story. Because I feel that it's bad enough to go to the dentist, made worse by the fact that you actually have to pay for it instead of being paid. Harley Jane Kozak had a great post a few weeks ago over at The Lipstick Chronicles on how her veneers would always break and how her lawyer husband wants to sue her for not telling her what a financial risk she was before they got married.

 
At 8/8/06 4:22 AM, amc said...

CG--do the foreign rights revert to you at some point if your publisher doesn't publish your books abroad?

qmixs...quick mixes brand of muffins and quick breads.

 
At 8/8/06 8:58 AM, Bryan said...

CologneGrrl,

The population in the US after the 2000 census was 286 million.

Which of course makes that interesting fact a lot more interesting since Germany still publishes about the same number of books.

Maybe we share more over here? I don't know. Just trying to come up with a good excuse.

 
At 8/8/06 9:53 AM, mcb said...

Okay, who stole my "ID" ???? I left it right there in that word and when I got back it was GONE!


CG - Diane makes a good point. I think a lot of the reason for the rise in sales of romance novels is that you see "real" women in them more and more - Jenny's being an excellent example.

So often the only European women we are exposed to in novels are gorgeous and dress in designer fashion. But give us 'real' women (you have those over there, right?)and we'll read them. Look at the popularity of Marian Keyes novels in the U.S. today(okay that's chick lit but you see my point?)

 
At 8/8/06 9:53 AM, mcb said...

Okay, who stole my "ID" ???? I left it right there in that word and when I got back it was GONE!


CG - Diane makes a good point. I think a lot of the reason for the rise in sales of romance novels is that you see "real" women in them more and more - Jenny's being an excellent example.

you would not believe the difficulty I'm having with blogger today.

So often the only European women we are exposed to in novels are gorgeous and dress in designer fashion. But give us 'real' women (you have those over there, right?)and we'll read them. Look at the popularity of Marian Keyes novels in the U.S. today(okay that's chick lit but you see my point?)

 
At 8/8/06 11:03 AM, colognegrrl said...

ACB - the rights fall back to me after 8 years.

Bryan: it's not the total of printed books but the number of all new books issued, meaning that American publishing houses do not publish a considerably larger number of different books than German publishers do. The print run of each book is probably way larger in the U.S., to the effect that American authors have the chance to earn more on each book they publish.

And once again my question: who can give me a logical definition of "chick lit" in comparison to other novels? Why is Marian Keyes "chick lit" - she deals with the most complex personalities and not just glamourous ever-shoe-buying poster girls - and Jenny Crusie is not? (Or is she and I just didn't know?)

 
At 8/8/06 11:20 AM, mcb said...

CG asked ... who can give me a logical definition of "chick lit" in comparison to other novels?


Okay Jennifer Crusie writes romance novels because the 'romance' is at the heart of all her stories. Whatever else might be going on boy will meet girl and eventually they will live 'happily every after' (that's the HEA reference you see so often here). Relationships are important in romance novels because they are important to women. But its not the 'goal' if that makes sense.

Marian Keyes writes books about women, the ups and downs and various relationships (mother, daughter, lover, friend) that are, emotionally, what makes us different from men. There may well be romance in her books, because love and romance are part of a woman's life, but romance isn't the goal in her books.

So, you could say that romance books are about falling in love and chick lit is about being a woman. The genres overlap but also have a distinctive feel.

does that help?

 
At 8/8/06 11:45 AM, mcb said...

Oh, I guess I should have added that "chick" is slang for female and lit is short for literature. So chick lit is an allerative way of saying "women's fiction".

 
At 8/8/06 11:45 AM, mcb said...

*sigh* alliterative ... that word is alliterative.

 
At 8/8/06 1:03 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

mcb you seem to be having a rough day. Take a deep breath.

Okay, who asked for a doctors note for 20 years of sick days? Be careful what you ask for. I got one of those. It's no fun when you want to work and can't. I loved my ESL students and had to leave them.

shlxnm She has lost Xavier, not Mayer.

 
At 8/8/06 1:24 PM, orangehands said...

CG and bryan: it's probably because we don't read as much, esp not new things (the people on this blog excluded from this horrible generalization). or because Americans don't like to take chances. or because they don't know a good thing when it hits them on the head. or because-

i'll stop now.

but that is a very interesting fact.

mcb: thanks for the distinction. hope you do the breathing thing scope dope suggested.

 
At 8/8/06 3:34 PM, mcb said...

Oh said ... it's probably because we don't read as much


I keep hearing this, that we are producing a generation that doesn't read. And then I can't find a parking place at the public library. So clearly someone out there is reading. And the popularity of the Harry Potter books gives me hope. Even if you don't like them, you have to have a soft spot for any book that gets kids excited.

But we tend to let the media tell us what to read next. I think perhaps because books aren't cheap and people who haven't fallen in love with reading in the same way we have are often intimIDated by glossy covers. And you also have people who only read the 'right' books, like being seen in the 'right' restaurants. Pretty sad.

 
At 8/8/06 4:46 PM, orangehands said...

*OH cheers mcb*

BUT, while the library is crowded, i do believe we are a generation of non-readers (of books. internet is totally different). if you go to a restuarant your going to find people eating, just like when you go to the library you see kids reading. when talking to people just in random places, they don't seem to read. which is why i do love harry potter. it's not that original and it's not that well-written, but it makes kids READ. the woman deserves a Peace Prize. :)

i never got TV commercials for books. i mean, i watched J&B's over their site and it was cute and all, but it just seems so weird. ads, sure, those are important. but TV commercials? i wonder if there's any statistics about how many people they get to read a book. because they seem to be for best-seller authors. maybe just as a reminder a book is out? or something. not sure if i'm making sense. i need to eat something. getting the shakes.

 
At 8/8/06 5:45 PM, Lou said...

I gotta weight in here. Everytime I go to the local Borders, the place is crowded. There are LOTS of people there...of every age, type, gender (O.K., only two of those), etc. I have never been able to make a purchase without standing in line for at least 10 minutes (usually more) even tho they have 5 cashiers hard at work. During the holidays, the line is so long it snakes around between the bookshelves. Almost all the people in line have two or more books to buy. I've even seen teens that look as if they belong in an alley with knife in hand buying books. I am heartened by the popularity of the bookstore as I continue to hope that our younger generations (probably dating myself here) will read rather than veg out in front of the TV or become hypnotized by video games.

For reference, I live 12 miles south of Sacramento, CA. in a suburb.

lwldt
live with love dictates Tal

 
At 9/8/06 3:09 AM, orangehands said...

lou: i do see a lot of people in book stores (and all sorts of people too), but have you ever studied the overlap? i see a lot of repeaters more than new ones. and just because people are buying books, doesn't mean they are reading them. again, there's the "well, i look good with this one in my collection" or they give it as gifts or...

i do wish this generation read more. and not to worry, you were already dated-:).

what we need are some statistics...

 
At 9/8/06 3:45 AM, colognegrrl said...

I don't know if anybody still reads this as there is a newer post out but I just wanted to comment on what Orangehands said: "Maybe Americans don't like to take chances". Referring to our current exchange girl, that fits perfectly. She doesn't read unless it's a school assignment because "it is so hard to start a book" but she's got excellent grades in her advanced English class. Now what does that tell me?
(Believe me, I love the U.S. and I try not to be chauvinistic, but she wouldn't get through with that here.) She also only eats what she knows - no risk here, either - and she is decision-shy to a point where I am almost worried about her future - may she find a guy who will take care of her and tell her what to do like her daddy did, bless her heart. (I wonder who decided she'd go for that exchange.)

So can you imagine a girl sitting on the couch, staring into space, doing nothing for hours while my daughter and I are reading books and newspapers? (I know, you people on this blog can't. That's why you got here in the first place.)

Think I got awfully close to slander there. So maybe it's a good thing that nobody will read this comment anymore.

 
At 9/8/06 4:11 AM, orangehands said...

CG: ha, i still read them.

what is wrong with this girl? never met her and i can already tell she'd annoy the *&^* out of me. her reasons for reading are asinine (got that word from reading), and she's boring. who doesn't ever try new things? (rhetorical question) at one point everything was new, and you love some of it, so might as well see if you can find another new thing you'll love.

"She doesn't read unless it's a school assignment because "it is so hard to start a book" but she's got excellent grades in her advanced English class. Now what does that tell me?"

that our educational system need a complete overhaul that it will probably never get? (ok, i know, a rhetorical question).

and you can love a country and still be pissed at about 98% of the things it does. case in point: me.

now TV, i'm ok with TV. i like some shows (Grey's Anatomy, Prisonbreak, Simpsons, etc), and i learn from some of them too. but the people who just sit there hour after hour, after hour, after hour...geez. i think it's a fact (not quite sure), but don't you have the brainwave activity of a coma patient when you watch TV? or something about it being less than when you sleep? something like that...

and do not get me started on reality shows. a few are ok, the ones that make sense, but the Bachelor? *gag, gag*

and, when i watch TV, i read also. so still working the brain. (i can multitask with the best of them)

ok, so really long, didn't mean to do that, but CG all americans aren't like that.

some are worse. :)

 
At 9/8/06 6:04 AM, Anonymous said...

Okay, so I'm in Brisbane, sitting in a coffee shop drinking a flat white and reading the International Express newspaper. Give's interesting happenings in the mother country (England *grin*)

Decided to check the blog and saw these comments and thought how relevant. The article in the I E that amused me most was by David Robson, title: A Classic Route to Having an Active Love Life. The guy chats on about all types of things to do with romantic interest, books, readers and authors, and then says:
"New research by the polling organization YouGov reveals that a third of Britons consider flirting with someone because of the book they are reading. I am not entirely convinced by this. I am far from sure a third of all Britons know what a book is - and anyway the research was commissioned by Borders, the bookstore chain."
Seems to me this non-reading thing is a universal problem.
He continues to chat mainly about book clubs, book groups, etc. Then says:
"Reading used to be a solitary affair, and as for writing ... authors, formerly unseen, closeted sorts, now spend most of their time giving readings to panting audiences at bookshops and literary festivals. They have become pole-dancers for the book buying classes."
Yeah J&B. Pole dancers. Where do I buy tickets. Heheh.
He signed off with;
According to the YouGov poll, classics are the biggest aphrodisiac of all. In other words: "It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of Pride and Prejudice must be in search of a snog."
rg

 
At 9/8/06 9:35 AM, mcb said...

CG: I think I mentioned this when you spoke of your exchange student before, but people like that give all of us a bad name. I'm not at all sure why she bothered with the exchange program. Though to be fair I've encountered a few visitors here that weren't exactly sterling representative of their culture. If its any consolation to you, people back home probably find her just as boring as you do.

OH said ... you can love a country and still be pissed at about 98% of the things it does. case in point: me.

ditto.


RG quoted ... I am far from sure a third of all Britons know what a book is

Nice to see the Brits getting equal time.

What's a snog?

J&B, poledancers *snort*

 
At 9/8/06 10:17 AM, Lori said...

RG: Your comments were a fabulous way to start my day. Thanks!

McB: I always thought a snog was a passionate kiss. Snogging is making out/playing tonsil hockey/ tongue wrestling etc. Could be wrong though.

sawnzk: Sound the couple snogging behind me in the theatre made. Leads me to believe they were new to snogging.

 
At 9/8/06 1:09 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

rg I want to know what a flat white and a snog are. Glad you got to Brisbane safely. Have a great time at the conference. Say hi to Downundergal for us. We'll just stay here and slog away at our writing. Jenny with her four books, me with my two.

cologne girl how long do you have to put up with this twit? Sounds like the money to send her to Germany was wasted, and probably some poor kid who really wanted to go and would have made the most of it, missed out because she had the slot. That seems to be what happens.

green eogkr

Everybody ordering grits keeps rigatoni.

 
At 9/8/06 1:28 PM, mcb said...

CC said ... She doesn't read unless it's a school assignment because "it is so hard to start a book" but she's got excellent grades in her advanced English class. Now what does that tell me?

It says that she can ace the technical stuff but misses the point. For example there's a difference between knowing how to play a musical instrument and being a musician.

 
At 9/8/06 2:26 PM, glamour-geek said...

SDCB: snogging is indeed making out. As for "flat white," to me that would be a type of paint, yet I feel sure that RG is not a paint drinker, so I really can't help you there.

 
At 9/8/06 3:10 PM, Conscripted Cherry said...

According to Wiki--A Flat White is a coffee beverage served in Australia and New Zealand, prepared with espresso and milk. This drink is generally made with 1/3 espresso and 2/3 steamed milk, very similar to the ingredients in a latte. Unlike a Latte, it is more than often served in a small cup, making it a potent drink.

 
At 9/8/06 4:16 PM, orangehands said...

knew snogging was kissing (thank you Brit books), but i thought a flat white was wine. of course, that was a complete guess. i trust wiki and CC.

 
At 9/8/06 5:39 PM, Conscripted Cherry said...

I don't know if you should be trusting me that much. And Wiki has been known to have some odd items on it, but this should be a safe one.

And totally off topic-- the free fridge I got last night, still needs lots of scrubbing to make it a happy thing, so I'm out of here to scrub some more.

 
At 9/8/06 7:32 PM, talpianna said...

Robena--thanks for that IE quote--I'm going to be passing it around.

kwiaxf -- Kiwis will inevitably sxe foreigners.

 
At 9/8/06 10:08 PM, Anonymous said...

Just found a hi-speed internet kiosk in the mall. $2 for twenty minutes sure beats the hotel rate of $29 for all day. Yay me! I get to blog.
Good on ya mates! Ya got it all figured out. (The flat white and the snog)isn't google great?
Just bought a really cute black feather boa and ran into Marion Lennox (an Aussie medical author) I'd never met her before but we chatted and she convinced me I had to buy it to complete (and to sex up) my costume for the event. I forget to steal my daughter's hot pink boa, but the black one is very soft and sexy. *grin*
rg

 
At 10/8/06 12:36 AM, orangehands said...

uh, rg, what kind of costume is this? has anybody found KI's pole?

 
At 10/8/06 12:37 AM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

Don't forget to get a picture of you in that get up rg. We want pictures and get one of downundergal too. You can put them on your blog and we will go look at them there. Have a great time with your mates. I would read Marion lennox if that is medical romance. Bring one home please. /,D the black boa is probably better if you are wearing a black dress. It would be classier. Just my opinion.

Thanks for the explanations everybody.

red zlrcw

Zaza likes reading Crusie's writing. Thank you blogger.

 
At 10/8/06 1:34 PM, Anonymous said...

rg - Thanks for sharing! I really did laugh out loud at the end of the article that you were sharing.

Yep, not all Americans are like your exchange student, colognegrrl, but I fear that too many are. When I was an studying abroad in Japan as an undergrad, there were one or two other Americans that were kinda like that. I just couldn't understand, why, why, why you would choose to go live in another country if you weren't going to make the most of the experience?!?!

BTW, even when I was in Japan, I made the effort to hunt down books to read.

Theresa in Pgh

 
At 10/8/06 4:19 PM, orangehands said...

Theresa: how'd you like Japan? sounds very cool. do you also speak the language?

 
At 10/8/06 5:25 PM, Diane said...

OH - iirc (do you remember THIS?), RG was going to a costume party at her conference as Claudette Colbert. 'Course, I may have gotten confused, too, as there were numerous fun suggestions.

I'm doing this little English country dance (it's really easy, mostly just walking around at the right times) at the beginning of The Taming of the Shrew at a local park, with a few of the actors (I guess they didn't have quite enough for a set, so they got a couple of ringers). I was originally told that I would get a costume, but now I need to come up with something not-too-jarring to wear. Is it OK to wear black dancing shoes with a bronze skirt? I only HAVE black dancing shoes (they're just character shoes, not ballroom), and I may not have any non-contemporary-looking brown shoes. Hmm, maybe those would work, if I still have them. They're more Victorian than Elizabethan, but geez, if they aren't going to dress me, what do they want?

lnhwy: ludicrous nihilism hideously wrecks use

 
At 10/8/06 5:44 PM, Anonymous said...

Japan was amazing! Actually, it was my second trip there. When I was in high school, my church youth group went to Japan for 2 1/2 weeks. After that I was determined to go back and to learn the language. Yep, I was another one of those determined daughters.

I studied in Japan for one semester, living with a great host family. They couldn't have kids so they hosted a whole slew of foreign students. I think I was number 18.

I've continued to study Japanese on and off since then. One of the reason that I came to Pittsburgh was that U. Pitt had a great Japanese language program as well as a a good computer science department (my main area of study). However, it's now been several years since that Japanese class, and I am beyond rusty.

Once upon of time, I was planning to go back to Japan to live and work, but goals change. The friend that I was planning to go back with fell in love and got married and I decided to torture myself by going to grad school.

Grad school is now wrapping up. In the next 12 hours or so I need to decide between two great jobs. One of them in Scotland. And then I just need to finish my dissertation!!!!

Maybe more than you wanted to know about me. :)

Ok, time for me to go take sick kitty that I found in the street a few days ago to the vet.

Theresa in Pgh

Oh I can't resist:

blue: marumg - the sound a race car makes, doncha think?

 
At 10/8/06 9:41 PM, glamour-geek said...

Theresa: choosing between jobs, one in Scotland!? Do make sure you inform us as to what you decide. And any other pertinent details. Very cool and excellent for you to have a choice there!

And thank you for taking in the sick kitty. Very cherrybombish (cherrybombastic?) of you. Cherrybombs have good hearts.

 
At 10/8/06 9:53 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

Theresa wrote: Maybe more than you wanted to know about me.

You have got to be kidding. No such thing as TMI on this blog. Kudos on the humanitarianism. Catitarianism? Felineitarianism? Yeah. That.

Scotland? And the other is in Pgh, I presume? A place I can not even pronounce, let alone spell? And your dilemma is --- ? Let us know when you're moving and get that internet conection hooked up ASAP. We want to hear about the men in kilts. We'll just have to imagine the accents. [swoon]

bw

 
At 10/8/06 10:22 PM, Anonymous said...

Well I am pleased to report that the sweet kitty that I brought home earlier this week seems to be doing much better. Just a nasty sinus infection probably rather than a killer respitory track infection, which is what I feared.

I was thinking that she is young, because she's so small, but it turns out that she's around 15. So originally I was going to try to find her owner, but now I'm not sure. I live in a very urban area, and to put an old kitty outside, especially here, I think is just wrong. [Yep, a bit of a soapbox here.] True, I don't think she was maltreated, but she did have fleas and earmites, and her hearing and sight I think are not very good and she should not be outside!! She was laying almost in the middle of the road, slightly out of it, when I found her!

Sigh. She reminds me of my very sweet kitty who died a few years ago who lived to be 19.

The problem is that I just can't keep her. As it is, my younger sister is going to have to foster my cat Charlie if I end up choosing the Scotland job. The other job is in the D.C. area.

As far as jobs go, I've really been on the fence, going back and forth, because both are great opportunities. Have to decide tomorrow though. Regardless, I won't be moving out of the Pittsburgh area until mid-October. Because I have to finish my dissertation, which I've made very little progress on this week.

As for the sweet little kitty currently inhabiting my bathroom, I am strongly tempted to just try to find her a good home rather than try to find her original owner. Is that wrong?

Ok, as of tomorrow, it is nose back to the grindstone.

Theresa in Pgh

fwqhhxu - sounds almost like a bad word

 
At 10/8/06 10:34 PM, glamour-geek said...

If you thought kitty might have been lost, as opposed to put out intentionally, then posting signs for a lost cat might be appropriate. As it is, I think you are entirely justified in just trying to find her a new, cozy home where she will be treated kindly.

The only advice I have regarding your decision is to flip a coin and cover it with your hand (or foot) when it lands. If you find yourself hoping for one side or the other, you'll have your answer. Best of luck, regardless.

 
At 10/8/06 10:48 PM, Lori said...

Theresa: Yeah, yeah...both great opporunities etc. You did put kilts on the Pro list for Scotland right? I hear parking is terrible in D.C. too. Not, that I'm trying to sway your decision. Completely impartial here.

ndbcm: No dastardly bad cherries model.

 
At 10/8/06 10:54 PM, orangehands said...

diane: thanks, couldn't for the life of me remember what she needed a costume for. (thank god i'm so smart because i have the memory of a gnat).

Theresa: Japan sounds awesome and what is this job choice thing? what are the jobs?

good job with the kitty. well, cat. to give cat away: ask around your friends and neighbors. also, standing in front of certain stores can help sell the cat. how i got my cat #1 (aka Target). and as g-g said, if you think the person lost kitty then post a sign. if you think kitty was thrown out find a good home for her/him. and g-g's other suggestion, the coin thing, really works, i use it all the time.

but well, it's Scotland! those kilts, the accents. ahh, i think i'm in love...

 
At 10/8/06 11:27 PM, talpianna said...

Since she's in Australia, I assumed a "flat white" must be some sort of drink made from the juice of a compressed shark...

rdungpo--Robert dun gone & posted.

 
At 10/8/06 11:41 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

Compressed shark?! *SNORT* Makes sense to me.

Theresa: MCB works in DC so maybe she can offer some insight -- um, maybe you'd best not listen to her, though. You can get into a lot of trouble that way, trust me.

Which of the two jobs sounds more risky and adventurous? Which will increase your knowledge? Which will push your comfort level and make you take that next step?

There are things you can do while you're young (I've got to assume you are, relatively) that become more and more difficult as the years pile up behind you. Only you can make the decision, but do consider that ten years from now, or 15 or 20, your options will be markedly different. You can always tone it down. It's damned hard to ramp it up again after years of placidly going with the flow.

Live with no regrets.

Not that I'm biased toward the kilts or anything. [grin]

bw

nfybeak: exclamation from indignant bird

 
At 11/8/06 8:43 AM, Anonymous said...

It's done. I've accepted the job in Edinburgh, Scotland. It's a research position, as was the D.C. job. In the end, most things being equal between the two jobs, I knew I would regret it if I turned down the experience to live and work in Europe.

And the coin toss said 4 to 1 that I should go to Scotland.

And of course there are the men in kilts. Can't forget that.

I know the Tigress is in England. Are there any other CBs, especially in the Edinburgh area?

Now for that dissertation that's standing in my way.

Theresa in Pgh

 
At 11/8/06 9:09 AM, bon cheri bomb said...

Wow! Good for you, Theresa! You are Living The Dream!

Christina is going back to London mid-September and she and Tigress are already acquianted. I'm not aware of any others in the area, but there are always those lurkers.

So if-- um, when you finish that dissertation, do we have to call you Dr. T? At last report, Ms. Crusie had not yet finished hers -- guess it's just harder for some people to put that many words on paper [wink] -- but from all indications that ABD club is not such a bad thing.

What the hell, write it anyway. I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU.

bw

 
At 11/8/06 10:51 AM, mcb said...

Theresa - good for you. It would be a shame to turn down the opportunity to work in land of Mend in Kilts. Its a question of priorities!

DC is okay. Its a major commuter city so you can live way outside the city itself and there's a variety of commuter options so you don't need to deal with the traffic or the parking yourself. And its in the middle of the Atlantic coast so you're never too far from anything.

But I would have chosen Scotland too.

 
At 11/8/06 5:44 PM, amc said...

I wonder if CG's exchange student, and others who act like her, are going through culture shock. Sounds lame, but culture shock can be nasty. I went through it when we first moved to Germany--and I'd lived there before! Even if she didn't do much, she was still immersed in a place where everything is DIFFERENT, and the assumptions and values she took for granted don't hold sway. That's pricless.

 
At 11/8/06 6:23 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

Theresa: I do believe nanaimo g is originally from Scotland. Not sure why I believe that, but there you have it. You'll probably have to go over to a shorter comment post if you want to find out. Even my high speed excel spr-- um, internet connection is having trouble with this one. Not sure what type of internet service they have on that island. Will have to ask, I guess.

bw

 
At 11/8/06 6:37 PM, amc said...

Oops...needed to proofread that last comment. Priceless, not pricless.

gxckjzv...uh. I don't think so.

 
At 11/8/06 7:39 PM, ZaZa said...

Theresa in Pgh said...
As for the sweet little kitty currently inhabiting my bathroom, I am strongly tempted to just try to find her a good home rather than try to find her original owner. Is that wrong?

Well, it seems like if her owners really care, you'll be seeing their flyers around the area. If not, you should feel free to take care of her.

I know what rg means about the coin toss. I found my first parakeet at work one day. There was a breezeway between buildings, and going from one to the other I saw this little turquoise bird flying around in the courtyard. I went out, put up my finger and said, "Here birdie." I was a cat person prior to this. But she was a smart cookie and flew right down to sit on my finger.

People at work said I should try to find out who she belonged to, but that area was just to big, and, really, I wanted to keep her. So, I did. I hope she wasn't someones baby darling, because she was a darling. She lived to be about 140 in parakeet years. My current cat just marched in from the back deck one day and announced she was staying. Sometimes the "found" pets are the best one, especially when they find you. ;+)


Great opportunity on the Scotland job. Have fun!

iclcwhwd (blue)
In Crusie livres, chicks wear hot wiggly dresses. (sorry, but I needed an l-word, so, French it is)

 
At 12/8/06 12:01 AM, orangehands said...

CONGRATULATIONS THERESA IN PGH!!!!

i'm expecting pictures. lots and lots of pictures.

i meant of the landscapes. geez. :)

if my friend and i ever do go to Scotland (we both really, really want to) i'll tell you and we can meet up. i figure by then you'll have a lay of the land. :)

 
At 12/8/06 10:52 AM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

Congratulations teresa if you go to Jennifer Crusie Fans I think at least one of the Cherries is in Edinburgh. I think I have talked to her but I don't remember which one it is.

Good luck on your job and enjoy the experience to the fullest. You may never get a chance like this again.

blue shpzncd

Some heroines're paranoid Zaza, (but) none Crusie did.

 
At 12/8/06 12:43 PM, Lori said...

Dr. T~ Congrats and good luck on finishing the dissertation. You put all that nervous energy about moving across the pond into finishing that dissertation up, and you'll be done in no time :)

 

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