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Saturday, September 23, 2006

SHE WROTE: Cranky Bob and the Ficelle

I'm sick as a dog, spending the week in bed with Kleenex, cold meds, and my laptop. Because we have a deadline and I have to keep writing even though I'm probably going to DIE, that's why.

Bob's on the road.

Here's our last e-mail exchange, after he evidently tripped across something I changed in our presentation:


From: Bob
Date: September 23, 2006
To: Jenny
Subject: Re: hey

what the hell is a ficelle?



From: Jenny
Date: September 23, 2006
To: Bob
Subject: Re: hey

I miss you, too.

A ficelle (from Henry James' literary crit, in case you were wondering) is a character, often a best friend, partner, companion, servant, Watson, whatever, who is confused, needs to be brought up to date, arrives late on the scene, or is otherwise without information and so asks the right questions and serves as the reader's stand in for getting information from the protag without invoking as-you-know dialogue.



I'm going back to bed now. Bob is teaching something somewhere. I dunno where. I just want my electric blanket back.

Bleah.



Addendum:
This is why Bob makes fun of my graduate degrees (even though he has one, too):

Ficelle is not an obscure term. It's right there in the old standby Holman's Handbook to Literature which says:

"Ficelle: Literally, the strings by means of which the puppets are controlled by the puppeteer. The term is used by Henry James as a substitute for confidante, a means by which a self-effacing author conveys necessary information to the reader."

I think it's more sophisticated than that, but that's a good simple definition. James often talks about them in his Prefaces, like this one from the preface to The Ambassadors:

"Maria Gostrey . . . is the reader's friend . . . and she acts in that capacity, and REALLY in that capacity alone, with exemplary devotion from beginning to and of the book. She is an enrolled, a direct, aid to lucidity; she is in fine, to tear off her mask, the most unmitigated and abandoned of ficelles. Half the dramatist's art, as we well know--since if we don't it's not the fault of the proofs that lie scattered about us--is in the use of ficelles; by which I mean in a deep dissimulation of his dependence on them. Waymarsh only to a slighter degree belongs, in the whole business, less to my subject than to my treatment of it; the interesting proof, in these connexions, being that one has but to take one's subject for the stuff of drama to interweave with enthusiasm as many Gostreys as need be."

Or you can just take my word for it: Ficelles are useful and necessary, and the term "ficelle" is easier than any of the two long definitions given above (mine or Holman's) or God knows any of the times James explained it.

And now I'm going back to bed. Again.

116 Comments:

At 23/9/06 3:49 PM, b'gina said...

EEK!

 
At 23/9/06 3:49 PM, b'gina said...

I was first! Yay! Now I have to read the post.

 
At 23/9/06 3:51 PM, b'gina said...

Aww, Jenny. (((Poor Baby))) Now I feel bad doing two dump comments before reading.

Take care. Hope you're feeling better soon.

 
At 23/9/06 4:02 PM, Rosie said...

There is NOTHING worse than when you have to work when you are really sick. It's happened to me a couple of times and I thought I'd never survive it.

I send you good thoughts and good karma. Tea and a blankie help too.
Take care of yourself.

 
At 23/9/06 4:11 PM, Bryan said...

So what you're saying is that Bob was the ficelle so that you could tell us that?

It's a good thing, too. Because I had no idea.

 
At 23/9/06 4:12 PM, Robin S said...

Sorry you are sick Jenny. Hope you feel better soon.

 
At 23/9/06 4:12 PM, Bryan said...

Oh, and get better. You have a deadline... no time for being sick.

 
At 23/9/06 4:12 PM, cary said...

Jenny - At the risk of appearing stalkerish, where do I send the new electric blanket I'm ordering for you? (((Poor Baby)))

And a big thank you for giving us a new post to hang from. I think Blogger was getting a bit fed up with all the posts to the last one.

Oops. Exceeded my 30-word comment limit. Dang, that's gonna be hard...

dcpzexjn - Doped Crusie's Protagonist Zavier EXhibits Jenny kNowledge.

 
At 23/9/06 4:23 PM, K.L. said...

Nothing worse than being sick and not being able to just sleep through it. Take good meds, drink lots of tea, do your best to work through it and get better.

And yes, you deserve a "Poor Baby" from all of us.

(((Hugs)))

 
At 23/9/06 4:26 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

Poor Jenny.

Not that I doubt you Jenny, I’m sure you are correct, as always. But here is the definition of ficelle from the website: french.about.com --

Definition: string, type of bread similar to a demi-baguette

J'aime bien défaire la ficelle des colis. - I love untying (the string on) packages.

Mon pain préféré, c'est la ficelle - "Ficelle" is my favorite kind of bread.

Expressions: tirer les ficelles - to pull strings; connaître les ficelles du métier - to know the tricks of the trade; la ficelle est un peu grosse - you can see right through it



So Jenny: Have some nice freshly baked ficelle with a steamy bowl of chicken soup, you’ll feel better soon. Did Bob take your blanket?

And Bob: Remember when you wrote: Usually a French movie means there has to be at least one scene of a man on a bicycle with a bacquet riding mournfully in circles around a fountain. Well, apparently ficelle is the correct name for it. Either that or this is an example of Jenny pulling your string.

Poor Bob.


bw

 
At 23/9/06 4:36 PM, Bryan said...

bcb,

Not that I'm expert enough to be able to defend Jenny from you... but Stanford University defines ficelle in list of Literary Terms as "ficelle - puppet string; James's term for a confidante"

Notice the word string shows up again.

 
At 23/9/06 4:42 PM, Mary Stella said...

Cherry Bombs are born ficelles. We constantly require that you bring us up to date with new blog posts. That way, casual visitors always get the scoop.

Adding my "poor baby" and the hope that you quickly recover.

pzadaaro: Punctually, zany adversaries diabolically assassinate antagonists, regret oversights.

 
At 23/9/06 4:49 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

bryan wrote: Not that I'm expert enough to be able to defend Jenny from you...

LOL! Jenny needs no defense against me. We all know I'm indefensible.

But who will defend Bob and Jenny from each other?

bw

 
At 23/9/06 4:59 PM, AgtTigress said...

Hmm. Ficelle doesn't even appear in the definitions on Dictionary com (a compilation of American dictionaries), nor in the British dictionaries I have to hand. In French, it means 'a piece of string' or 'a small baguette'. I'm not surprised B. Mayer didn't know it, but I do wonder just how it acquired the definition it evidently has in lit crit.

 
At 23/9/06 5:03 PM, cary said...

BCB & Robin S - Check the last comments in Bob's post below. A last little nugget for you on the computers taking over.

Under 30 words! Yahoo!

 
At 23/9/06 5:50 PM, Theresa in Pgh said...

Oh Poor Baby, Jenny! Hope you feel better soon.

Ok, now I'm really going to get to work on those intro and related work sections. Where has the day gone?

Oh, and for anyone who was working (obviously not me) or whatnot, here is a picture of Mary and GG on Maui.

Work. Must. Work. Now. sigh....

 
At 23/9/06 6:14 PM, McB said...

Jenny - love how you use Bob as the literary ficelle to teach us the meaning of the word ficelle!!

I couldn't find an authoritative reference source for the word (well other than Jenny who is authoritative enough for me), but googling 'literary' and 'ficelle' together brings up many many references.

Poor baby - hope you feel better soon. Hot tea and hot baths. The hot baths will sooth your bones and muscles and help your head to clear.

Hi Tigress! How's your mom?

 
At 23/9/06 6:30 PM, Robin S said...

Tigress it's so good to hear from you again.

Cary loved the continuation of the story.

Theresa thanks for the link to the picture. What a gorgeous place. Neat to see the two of them there.

When you work for several days on a scene that takes place in less than two hours it seems the scene is dragging on and on and on.

 
At 23/9/06 6:31 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

Geez. I wasn't questioning the accuracy or authority of Jenny's definition -- I don't think she's ever wrong about that kind of thing. Exactly.

Just saying that for the purpose of Bob understanding her usage of the word in the context of his presentation, he might want to consider other definitions and whether Jenny was casting ficelle upon the waters or perhaps ficelle-ing him along.

I mean, c'mon, she might be sick but I don't believe she's lost her capacity for snarkiness. There IS an extended road trip coming up and she's probably practicing for more of that "Living The Dream With Bob" stuff.

No wonder she's sick.

bw

 
At 23/9/06 6:38 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

There now. See? She's feeling better already.

*SNORT*

Sorry Jenny, didn't mean to get you back out of bed to look stuff up for us. Get some sleep.

Doesn't your version of blogger come with a volume control on the comments? Just turn it down a bit until you can't hear us anymore.

bw

 
At 23/9/06 6:55 PM, Robin S said...

LMAO. Hope Jenny turned the volume way down. I didn't realize she'd added an addendum 'til I read BCB's comment.

Got to tell you. I hate literature. Love books. Hate someone explaining them. Not you Jenny. Henry James in his preface.

I'm shallow. I admit it.

 
At 23/9/06 6:58 PM, Robin S said...

Okay I'm doing it again. Dinners almost ready and DH goes outside to try to put out a candle with a sword. Without hitting the candle.

He missed. The good news is no one was in the way. Now we have two candles.

 
At 23/9/06 7:02 PM, AgTigress said...

I wasn't questioning Jenny's use of, or definition of, 'ficelle' either. All specialist subjects have words that one will not find in a dictionary. That was my point - it's not in a standard dictionary, so it is a technical word confined to those who have studied a particular discipline, in this case, lit. crit.

I mean, I know what a skeuomorph is, and it's a word most British archaeologists understand, but you won't find that in a dictionary, either, to the best of my knowledge.

 
At 23/9/06 7:10 PM, GatorPerson said...

Theresa, thanks for the Maui picture. I couldn't get the link to work for me, but you did it for me.
Aggtigress, when did you change the spelling of your name? Welcome back. I hope you can stay for a while.
bon cheri bomb, I didn't know you spoke French! How's that bread thingy pronounced?
Bryan, I thought you spent Saturdays at Starbucks writing your great western novel! Did you go to Stanford?
You all that are going to NJ.... When is that, exactly? We who are left behind need to plan our parties. Yeah, more than one. Anyone going to the Surrey conference Bob alluded to?
Hmmm. It's Saturday night. Don't guess OH has a (whisper) date, do you all? I think one of us should chaperone her. Yep, a really good thought. Sitting in the back seat, making throat-clearing noises occasionally. Oh, yes, I LIVE to embarrass the younguns!

 
At 23/9/06 7:15 PM, GatorPerson said...

I never do this, but I can't resist commenting again so soon. Now Agtigress knows how to spell her name.
skeuomorph - what blogger gave me last time to verify my existence! Really, Agtigress, doesn't everyone know that word? OK, I give up. What DOES it mean?

 
At 23/9/06 7:21 PM, Louis said...

Ah, Jenny, do take care of youself...tea with a little spirit additive might help.

We need you to ficelle getting those stories from Bob and you for the rest of us to read.

Theresa...thanks for the pix...could not get my computer to save a pix from the camera..for whatever reason.

agtigress...welcome back

yzaou..green

you zees are over under

 
At 23/9/06 7:31 PM, McB said...

Jenny, not doubting you - perish the thought. Just saying Webster's and like haven't caught up yet.

AgTigress ... not questioning you at all. However your comment did send me scrambling for my own reference material. Hey, I like to learn stuff. It does seem to be one of those "in" words known only to people in the know. Apparently James was all the authority necessary.

And yes, what does skeuomorph mean?

 
At 23/9/06 7:33 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

Well, it’s listed in the Dictionary of Difficult Words (of course it is, Tigress uses it), but Wikipedia gives a more thorough definition:

”Skeuomorph is a term used in the history of architecture, design, and archaeology. It refers to a derivative object which retains ornamental design cues to structure that was necessary in the original.[1] Skeuomorphs may be deliberately employed to make the new look comfortably old and familiar..//.. The word derives from Greek, skeuos for 'vessel' or 'tool' and morphe for 'shape'.”

So I guess it is an accurate definition of our new CB web place. Thanks, Tigress. I like learning new words. Between you and Jenny and Theresa, my vocabulary is growing by leaps and bounds. And then JenT is always throwing in a new word here and there.

GP: Those sentences in French were not my doing (though I did understand them, mostly), they came from the website I referenced along with the "obscure" definitions of ficelle. The ones that writers don't use. Non-French writers.

Very educational place, this blog.

bw

cemgwiw: someone else can look this up

 
At 23/9/06 7:37 PM, McB said...

Actually this is a device I've noticed but didn't have a word for - now I do. As Jenny said, Watson to Sherlock or Hastings to Poirot.

Or to use a more contemporary example, in the early years of West Wing when there was something going on that may have been over too many viewers' heads, there was often a scene where Josh or someone else was explaining to Donna what was going on.

So Donna was the ficelle. Now of course I'll be on the lookout for this device everywhere.

 
At 23/9/06 7:52 PM, McB said...

***BUSINESS***

Hey y'all. I have processed the first PayPal donations that came in, and thank you for being patient. Also have forwarded to Zaza her share, reimbursing her for the website package. I know many people are sending by snail mail* which is quite alright, and some are waiting until we meet in NJ, also fine by me.

*It my rush to get the emails out to all of you I neglected to mention that the banks hereabouts are not familiar with any individual known, formerly or otherwise, only as McB. If you have already sent a check payable to that person, my sincere apologies. No, I haven't yet received any such, but want to alert you - hopefully in time - and beg your forgiveness. I'll work it out somehow.

 
At 23/9/06 8:09 PM, Robin S said...

If Jenny hadn't explained the word, I'd never have figured it out. In twenty pages of ask.com, it didn't mention literary critism. It gave the definitions BCB shared. Ficelle is also the name of a thoroughbred horse. A man's mini sring shirt (I didn't go to that one) A restaurant in the Bay area of California and is used in lots of recipes.

It wasn't until I entered "literary critism ficelle" that I found Jenny's definition. They used The Ambassadors.

Definitely very educational. I looked up skeuomorph too but BCB beat me. That one was easier to find.

Okay, if anyone likes casseroles I made up a new recipe today. 1 bag of shredded hash browns(they are uncooked and no fat in them) 1 can 98% fat free cream of mushroom soup
1 can 98% fat free cream of chicken soup 4 Tbsp fat free Miracle Whip Vegetable of your choice. I used a combination of green beans and sugar snaps but it would be good with broccoli
1 lb. boneless skinned chicken breast 2 cups crumbled cheese I used a monteray jack, colby and cheddar mixture.

Spray 13x9 inch pan with non-stick spray. Mix the condensed soups with the Miracle Whip. Layer starting with potatoes, vegetable, chicken. Cover with soup mixture. Top with cheese. Bake at 400 degrees F for 45 minutes. I served it with corn muffins because DH had a craving for them.

It's good. I'd have put mushrooms in it too if I'd thought to buy them.

 
At 23/9/06 8:13 PM, McB said...

Oh are we doing recipes again?

Fast, easy, and tasty.

Mexican Chicken and Rice

chop up boneless chicken breast and sautee. Add peppers and onions. Add salsa of choice.

To be served over rice with sides of sour cream, shredded cheese, chopped black olives and additional salsa.

Really good and very fast.

 
At 23/9/06 8:26 PM, Lynn said...

Ficelle? I don't know that I could say it, spell it, or use it in a sentence correctly, but you dragged yourself from your sick bed to blog coherently about the topic.

Dang, girl, you are good.

Stay inside bundled with the electric blanket. Hope you feel better soon.

 
At 23/9/06 8:27 PM, Robin S said...

Jenny left us with a mystery. The case of the missing electric blanket. We could write a good one about that.

Once upon a time there was a very talented and lovely writer. An evil genie jealous of her writing skills cursed her with a terrible and uncurable disease that would make her miserable for at least a week. While she huddled under the covers with a pitcher of orange juice and a box of tissues, the genie stole her work in progress. Chills racked our heroines body and she dragged herself to the closet to find her electric blanket. Quilts, sheets, blankets covered the floor before she faced the horrible truth. Someone had stolen her electric blanket. How would she survive a winter in Ohio without it?

 
At 23/9/06 8:53 PM, orangehands said...

rss: by writing an excellent book?

Poor Baby, Jenny. though what's with this electric blankie? guess i'm old-fashioned in that regard.

GP: yeah, like i'd introduce you guys to my dates. i saw what you did to bryan. heck, i saw what i did.

actually, i was doing political stuff, came back here to check this out, got a new post, and will be going to a party later tonight. but tomorrow you will see me ALL DAY because i will be doing homework.

mcb: donna. good one.

oh, and i love learning stuff here. thanks for the new words.

 
At 23/9/06 8:54 PM, orangehands said...

oh, blogger ate my first blog and when i rewrote it i forgot to say, theresa, thank you for the picture.

now, who's in the yellow and who's in the black?

 
At 23/9/06 11:32 PM, djr said...

Jenny - if you have to replace the electric blanket, get an electric mattress pad instead. Much better.
Feel better soon.

 
At 23/9/06 11:45 PM, GatorPerson said...

2 Questions:

1. Skeuomorph - are those the additions to make an old thing make sense to us? Such as obvious additions to a skull so that we can see what it possibly should have looked like whole?

2. Does anyone know if Julian of Norwich wrote her own words in Revelation of Love or was she unlettered and so dictated them?


mpimwlwo: Many People Imagine Men's Worlds Lacking Wooly Ottomans.

 
At 24/9/06 12:24 AM, Cherry Magic Sheryl said...

(((Jenny))) - ignore everything we say except, "Get better." We are merely amusing ourselves until you do just that.

 
At 24/9/06 1:43 AM, orangehands said...

LORI: maybe on the new site also have a "planning place" for conferences where people can talk about how they are going to meet up and when/where they will be and the rest of us don't have to be jealous by those little tidbits they drop. there could be a new one for every major thing, like NJ or that conference whatshisface (kidding, Bob) is apparently doing off near home.

 
At 24/9/06 1:45 AM, orangehands said...

ok, "thing" was supposed to change to "event". i swear i'm losing vocabulary words up here.

fverjb: fevered Jenny, Bob. (as in, bring her soup)

 
At 24/9/06 3:04 AM, ZaZa said...

Someone took your electric blanket, Jenny? Bastard! Those things are essential when you've got the chills.

Sorry to hear you're suffering the cold kind of thing. Hate those. Take care. BIG HUGS!

wskjrq (red)
When someone killed JR, Robert quaked.

 
At 24/9/06 3:32 AM, orangehands said...

i've never had an electric blanket, but i remember the one that was in the cartoon with the little toaster and some other household appliances. he was the really cute machine.

but are electric blankets really that great? i feel i'm missing something here...and do they actually have plugs that need to be attached to the wall coming out of them?

hey, Jenny, if you post your address we'll send soup.

we'll send soup via person, of course, but you'll have soup.

 
At 24/9/06 3:33 AM, Anonymous said...

the weather where I am has definitely changed. so I depart from the g and t and move straight to the manhattan. while sick, however, I prefer chicken soup or hot and sour soup. In extremis, the hot toddy.

be well soon.

g&t

 
At 24/9/06 5:17 AM, AgTigress said...

Sorry for the misspelling. One of the (many) things I dislike about blogger is that one cannot go back and edit a post to correct typos. (Some of the others are: tiny composing window; need to use html for italics; one thread at a time only, hence difficulty in finding things in enormous threads; the blasted verification letters instead of easy one-off registration.)

A simple example of a skeuomorph would be the pattern of wooden slats on the elevation of a 'mock-Tudor' house (maybe you don't have those in the USA.) Anyway, originally, in the 15th/16th century, such wooden elements were structural, but they are retained in modern copies as pure decoration.

Or a prehistoric pot with a raised decorative cordon around the neck, marked with diagonal striations - all made in clay. Such cordons are probably skeuomorphs of rope bindings used for carrying the vessel or tying down covers. When you start looking, you can see a lot of skeuomorphic things around, especially in plastic objects that have now replaced metal or glass originals.

The meaning of 'skeuos' in Greek is very wide; to all intents and purposes, one can define it as 'thing', so skeuomorphic is 'thing-shaped'.

A ficelle in the sense of a thin baguette is, perhaps, a skeuomorph of a ficelle in the sense of a piece of string: but notwithstanding the comments about puppets, I still don't really understand the etymology of how it gets from 'puppet manipulated by strings' to 'character standing in for the hitherto baffled and uninformed reader'.

 
At 24/9/06 9:26 AM, McB said...

DearTigress - never apologize to this crowd for typos. We enjoy them ... we're strange that way. Without typos we wouldn't be well on our way to creating out own language. The HTML thing is a nuisance, though, I agree.

Thanks much for the lesson. Tudor - mock or otherwise, doesn't abound in the U.S. but seems to me I've seen the like in one of the tonier neighborhoods outside Washington, DC. Never noticed slats - I will, of couse, next time I go by there.

OH - being a Californian you wouldn't have much need of the electric blankie. They were really big in the 60s as I recall. I don't use one as I'm more of a cuddle under the layers type of person. Also most homes today are both better insulated and better heated so they aren't quite as necessary ... unless you live someplace that takes winter seriously ... like Ohio.

The Great Electric Blanket Caper. What we need to do is back track. Who was most recently on the scene and had means and opportunity?

kghcck: Knitting geese have cherry cheeked kings.

 
At 24/9/06 9:45 AM, Jen-t said...

Poor, Poor, Jenny. So sorry you are feeling so sick. I feel you're pain, although I'm not sick, I've got a couple of sick kids and my back is killing me this morning.

"ficelle", oh, the fun I could have with that word.

Why is it that when other's have typo's you all forgive them and tell them it's okay. But when I have typos (due to very long finger nails that might scratch) you all "lamb blast" me. Or at the very least pick on me? Never mind, don't answer that.

 
At 24/9/06 9:52 AM, bon cheri bomb said...

Tigress: Not sure one can rely on the logic of etymology when the arrogance and ego of a writer are involved in making up new meanings for words (ref. to James here, NOT Crusie).

I get the impression (from the quotes Jenny gave us) James saw those particular characters, the ficelles, as strings that could be pulled by the writer when needed to bring them on stage, their purpose being to explain or give information. And that perhaps that was their ONLY, or at least primary, purpose. Whereas, one supposes, the other characters had less obviously (to the reader) directed purposes.

From the James quote: "Waymarsh only to a slighter degree belongs, in the whole business, less to my subject than to my treatment of it.."

I assume Waymarsh is a ficelle. A string to be pulled -- not the subject but part of the treatment.

Of course I don't have any graduate degress, let alone one in lit. crit., so I'm sure once Jenny is feeling more the thing she will come over here and tell you how mistaken I am about all that. But for now we're letting her get some sleep.

Quite a few Tudor-style homes in Minneapolis and the surrounding area. Good example of skeuomorphs.

And I'm sorry you don't care for blogger. I am grateful you're waging battle with its blasted cumbersomeness to converse with us, though.

bw

 
At 24/9/06 9:55 AM, bon cheri bomb said...

Jen: Because your typos are so very creative. And evocative.

Creating havoc and evoking hilarity.

We love you for it, you know. Sorry your kids are sick and your back hurts. Do you have an electric blanket? Send it to Jenny.

bw

 
At 24/9/06 9:59 AM, Jen-t said...

BCB - I evoke hilarity! Oh My God, I'm laughing so hard it hurts. You crack me up!

I do not have an electric blanket, I have a husband, an no, you, or anyone else for that matter, can not have him. So there.

 
At 24/9/06 10:09 AM, bon cheri bomb said...

You're not willing to share the warmth of your DH to comfort a fellow writer? Good to know. See if I call you next time I get sick.

Got any chicken soup? I'd make some for her, but really it's too darn hot and humid here today to be making soup.

Why aren't there places that deliver chicken soup like they do with flowers? We need a national 1-800-chickensoup franchise. Someone add that to our TOTW plans.

bw

 
At 24/9/06 12:37 PM, Louis said...

JenT...

We tease because you are so teaseable!

And take the teasing in such an enjoyable manner!

With comebacks that make us ROFLOAO.

Even with long fingernails (and I saw the pix of them) you are so teaseable.

ntoxa...green

no teasing..other Xtractions added

 
At 24/9/06 1:04 PM, GatorPerson said...

AgTigress - Since you had never ever mispelled your name before, and because I have been paid to deal with security issues, I'm probably too sensitive (paranoid?) about such. I was quite concerned we had an imposter and so said stuff to get the Real AgTigress to speak up. And, sure enough, there you were, not imposing, not impostering, just misstiping!!!

My apologies if I offended, I really was sticking up for you.

 
At 24/9/06 1:27 PM, AgTigress said...

Gatorperson - I was certainly not offended: I hadn't even realised that you doubted my identity!
I HATE making typos, but as I am not the world's most accurate typist, I do commit them from time to time. They really embarrass and upset me. This is, quite seriously, one of the things I find most stressful about posting here and on other Blogger sites. One can preview the post, of course, and I always do, but even then, something may slip through, and once it has been posted, I know of no way to correct it. It bothers me a lot. I can only proof-read with a fair degree of accuracy when reading from a printed sheet of paper: there is something about reading on a screen, especially in a mimsy little window less than 4" wide, that undermines my ability to spot errors. Even when one opens out the window to read the preview, I still find the somewhat condensed font difficult.
I am a lot more relaxed on forums where I can edit my posts, removing typos, or adding information or references. I don't feel the pressure to get things absolutely right the first and only time, so I am chattier and less uptight.
:-)

 
At 24/9/06 1:46 PM, wapakwoman said...

As I am in Ohio, you can send all the blankies and soup to me and I will deliver them to Jenny's mommy who can then brave the woods and vultures to take them to our fearless leader.

Or I could sail up and down the Mighty Ohio River until I find birds peeing down their legs and then I would know I was in the right place.

I love learning new words! And it is only Sunday. My this could turn out to be quite the interesting week.
GET WELL SOON JENNY!

 
At 24/9/06 1:51 PM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

Poor Jenny. You do need chicken soup and your electric blanket. The last person there happened to be her ficelle Bob.

Ficelle--I took the meaning to be a tying up of loose ends so yes strings would be involved. If the ficelle is the character that ties up all the loose ends as noted--Watson in Sherlock Holmes.

Robin S we will be in New Jersey about 4 p.m. on Thursday. I am not going to say anymore about it so that we don't upset OH.

I can't remember who said it but Yes I think you all should have a party while we are away. I would if it was you that were leaving for the weekend.

red libdyb

Learning inhibited, Bob Doherty yex badly. Just kidding Bob.

 
At 24/9/06 1:52 PM, Sheri said...

Unfortunately I never see that there is a new post until there are at least 50 comments on it (sigh)...

Robin S--thanks for the recipe, I think I may try it!

As for the electric blanket--what, don't they make them anymore? Yes, they plug into an electric outlet in the wall--hence the term "electric" blanket, as opposed to "battery operated" or "gas powered". The last one I owned came with dual controls so that DH and I could set our sides to the temp most comfortable to us. We gave it up when we got our flotation system bed--the idea of water and electricity combined while we were sleeping didn't seem like a great idea!! *grin* Sort of like the hair dryer in the bath tub...

Someone mentioned an electric pad? Ooo, that sound cozy! If I can ever get the DH to give up this water bed I think I would want one of those!

Hope you are feeling better, Jenny. Echynacea(sp) is great to help build up your immune system and keep you cold-free. I drive a city bus--I know about these things! Every disease known to man (and a few we haven't discovered yet) walks onto my bus at sometime during the cold and flu season. I swear by this stuff...

omzqf--"Once Mr. Zorhoff quits fuming...."

 
At 24/9/06 2:49 PM, McB said...

BCB mentioned in re ficelles ... And that perhaps that was their ONLY, or at least primary, purpose.

Mmm hmmm. Watson for instance didn't seem to have much purpose other than Holmes' sounding board. Hastings not much better treated by Poirot. I think Martha Grimes uses Melrose Plant somewhat as Jury's ficelle, but Plant is such a fabulous character all on his own that its less noticeable. In fact I prefer Plant over Jury and think he deserves his own book.

But I think she was very clever teaming the two of them up as you get the ever popular amateur slueth in Plant plus the proper official presence of Jury.

 
At 24/9/06 3:00 PM, McB said...

Jen informed ... I do not have an electric blanket, I have a husband, an no, you, or anyone else for that matter, can not have him. So there.

Oh, THAT'S what they're for!

Zaza, since we're going to have our own site, not just the blog, would it be possible to incorporate some kind of spell checking or edit feature? I suppose you'll say that blogs are an entity in their own right and we can't do much with them. Okay, I had to ask.

Tigress, I too find it much easier to proof a hard copy than on screen. There's just something more real about a piece of paper.

Sheri (hi!) commented ... "electric" blanket, as opposed to "battery operated" or "gas powered".

A gas powered blanket ... the concept is a little boggling.

Wapakwoman said ... I could sail up and down the Mighty Ohio River until I find birds peeing down their legs and then I would know I was in the right place.

Snort! Oh yes Jenny's vultures. Let's not forget them!

Partially ventillated soup cans, buy yours.

 
At 24/9/06 4:00 PM, Diane said...

So, since I learned two new things today (ficelles and skeuomorphs), can I take tomorrow off? I put the latter term into Google (to make sure I was spelling it right), and found the following phrase: "Skeuomorphs are material metaphors instantiated through our technologies" as the tagline on the first entry. Impenetrable prose, anyone?

I guess I'm a little warped by my youthful experiences: we used to go to the Oregon Shakespeare Festival every year when I was a kid (and my parents now LIVE in the town), so I grew up seeing half-timbering of the skeuomorphic sort frequently. On cheesy motels as well as synthetic manors.

Jenny, I'm so sorry that you're not feeling well! I add two not-yet mentioned prescriptions: nyquil (I know, we've had this discussion) and mentholatum, if your nose gets sore.

I've almost always had electric blankets, though I'm sure the mattress pad would be as useful. Not so much for STAYING warm as for pre-heating the bed. Especially when arriving at a little weekend place (not mine) near bedtime, when the mattresses are 40° F, it really helps take the chill off, without all that messing about with coals and warming pans.

The wedding was really nice - no assistant principals checked the dress code, and the young people chose interesting food, music (although the hymns would not have been my selection), flowers, vows - altogether fun. One interesting thing they did was to return to the church and greet everyone as they "dismissed" them from the pews, rather than having folks stand in a receiving line. Playing, meanwhile, by a talented organist (well, she'd have to be!), was the Toccata from Symphony V by Charles Marie Widor, which is so much fun, definitely not processional/ recessional music, but no reason not to use it to hug your guests by!

rtqeib: romantic types quest eagerly, inviting brouhahas

wztelz: Wedding zydeco turns elderly ladies zany
(no, no zydeco at this wedding, but a reasonable number of zany ladies)

 
At 24/9/06 4:32 PM, AgTigress said...

MCB said: 'Watson for instance didn't seem to have much purpose other than Holmes' sounding board. Hastings not much better treated by Poirot.'

W-e-l-l. In both cases, I should say that they were very vivid and believable character studies in themselves, acting as foils to emphasise the qualities of the central character. That contrast goes much further than the fact that Hastings and Watson are represented as intellectually slower and imaginatively more circumscribed than Poirot and Holmes.

In other words, I think they are needed for functions over and above and beyond that of explication to the reader: I do think that they have a crucial purpose, or several, beyond that of the 'ficelle' as defined.
'Ficelle' does bother me when applied to a male character. It is such an obviously feminine noun!

:-)

 
At 24/9/06 5:24 PM, b'gina said...

Tigress, did you know that most browsers let you customize the fonts used to display content? In Firefox/Mozilla and IE, both, it's under View > Text size. So, if the font is too small, you can, theoretically at least, enlarge it to make it easier for you to read.

 
At 24/9/06 5:25 PM, Jen-t said...

Warning, this is way off topic, but in my little world, it's important.

Question: Who in our blog world does NOT know about green m&m's and the effect they have on you?

mcb - Yes, husbands are good for keeping you warm at night. Feed them a few green m&m's and you are good to go.

 
At 24/9/06 6:01 PM, MargaritaCherrybomb said...

Tigress - didn't mean to imply that I don't thoroughly enjoy both characters - Watson and Hastings - because I do. I agree that they are well defined and enjoyable characters. And Watson, I believe, has been badly treated by Hollywood types, making him something of a buffoon. But the character is actually a respected medical man, so not the clown he's often painted to be.

I think in addition to their roles as ficelles, they also serve to make Holmes and Poirot more approachable. Genuis tends to be annoying left to itself.

Jen - just keep them out of the reach of the children.

Oh, and, ONLY 12 MORE SLEEPS UNTIL NEW JERSEY!

 
At 24/9/06 6:14 PM, AgTigress said...

b'gina said; 'did you know that most browsers let you customize the fonts used to display content?'

Yes, I know that, thanks. I normally have the text size set to 'larger'. But it actually makes no difference to the blogger comments! Even if one enlarges the comments screen to full-screen, the composing window remains about 8 cm wide whatever the setting of the text size, and the font size within that window is also unchanged, at what appears, visually, to be about 10 point. The size of the actual blog entries (not our comments) does change, though.

The font changes from a serif style to a slightly condensed Arial or similar after posting, but it is still about 10, at any rate, on my screen.

:-)

 
At 24/9/06 6:41 PM, Robin S said...

JenT Are you saying green m&ms are an aphrodisiac? If so why didn't I know this?

Hope your back and kids feel better

 
At 24/9/06 7:21 PM, Jen-t said...

Robin S - Yes! As a teenager we were all told that green m&m's made you horny. On valentines day, you can even find bags full of just green ones to give your significant other.

Just colds, so the kids are surviving, although middle child will be getting braces tomorrow, poor kid.

 
At 24/9/06 7:26 PM, Jen-t said...

And, because some of you might think I made up the whole horny thing with green m&m's, here is a link that discuss the green m&m and it's qualities.


http://www.snopes.com/risque/aphrodisiacs/mandms.asp

 
At 24/9/06 7:29 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

Well, back when I was in HS, the superstition was that if you ate the green ones you'd get pregnant. I tell you, Jen, you had me worried there for a minute. Wondering just how many more years you wanted to be driving kids around...

And weren't YOU the one who asked us to stop talking about M&M's?

Speaking of driving, I get to go drive DD back to college now. Such an exciting life.

bw

 
At 24/9/06 7:35 PM, Shoshana said...

I hope you feel better soon Jenny. I am starting to get this damn cold again which 6 months ago almost killed me while I was pregnant.

 
At 24/9/06 7:56 PM, Lynn said...

Electric blankets? Winter time life savers. I live in Ohio, close enough to "the lake" that I hate the words "lake effect snow," and I've lived several miles outside of Pittsburgh, though we never had "river effect snow." Poor Jenny does indeed need to find the electric blanket.

A hubby? Great source of all kinds of heat. But let me say two words .... dual control (and I mean for the electric blanket). That way hubby doesn't mind how toasy you may need to be.

 
At 24/9/06 7:58 PM, McB said...

BCB said ... Well, back when I was in HS, the superstition was that if you ate the green ones you'd get pregnant.

Well, there is a correlation. To keep this family friendly we won't go into details but ... they know what causes that now.

Shosana - welcome back. Haven't seen you around for a while.

I'm feeling really rather pleased with myself at the moment because I just all by myself installed my brand new handy dandy hand-held shower head. Easy actually, or would be if I were taller. Trying to do this practically on tip toes with your hands stretched waaaay over your head is tricky. Plus I have really small hands so I had trouble with the wrench. But its done and doesn't leak. Yes I will take a bow, thankyouverymuch.

 
At 24/9/06 9:11 PM, djr said...

Lynn said: Electric blankets? Winter time life savers.

In the south we use them in the summer when somebody has the air conditioner turned on high!

 
At 24/9/06 9:24 PM, bon cheri bomb said...

Well, I am also feeling very pleased -- to still be alive. Had an encounter of the way too close for comfort kind on the interstate coming back home. Driving along in the dark at 75 mph and the cars in the lane next to me suddenly start swerving all over the place -- one nearly sideswiped the car in front of me, a mess I would not have been able to avoid -- and two seconds later I saw there was a car stopped dead in the second to the left lane of the freeway, flashers on. Death waiting to happen.

Once I managed to swallow my heart and could breathe again, I called 911 and was told they had a patrol car on the way. Sure as hell hope it got there in time.

Yeah, it was one of those trips where you just want to kiss the ground when you finally get home. I hugged the cat instead.

Guess someone was watching over both of us, MCB. As usual.

bw

 
At 24/9/06 11:22 PM, Jen-t said...

BCB - so glad you are okay. I'd be lost without you.

 
At 25/9/06 12:03 AM, Scope Dope Cherrybomb said...

First of all, glad you are okay bcb. That must have been way too scary.

jen-t I must admit I had never heard the green M&Ms story. If I had I would have bought a gross. You girls, really! Green M&Ms.

It may only be 12 sleeps for you mcb but my DH says that makes it about 26 for me since I nap a lot or fall asleep just doing crosswords. Yhe other day DH left me in the restaurant drinking coffee while he went to get a haircut. I fell asleep and my friend came in, saw I was asleep and didn't want to disturb me. How embarassing is that? Everyone coming into that restaurant saw me asleep at the table. Sheesh!

On that note,I am going to bed. Good night.

green (like the M&Ms) kljap

Killers like Jenny's active prose.

 
At 25/9/06 1:36 AM, orangehands said...

BCB: i am very glad you are ok!!!!!! very, very glad. i mean, god, your MCB's back-up. we don't have enough bail money if you aren't there to help her get away.

but seriously, (((HUGS)))

***catch-up now***

BCB said "Why aren't there places that deliver chicken soup like they do with flowers?"

my father's cousin is starting this company that ships anything you ask for from NY to where you are- this could be an art piece, a sandwhich, etc. what you said just reminded me of it.

sheri: you drive a city bus? i have awesome respect for people in your profession.

green m&m thing: informative and a little scary. when i was younger i used to do "testing" (as in, tasting) to see which color m&m i liked best. i don't think i could really tell a difference but i always said brown because it must of had more chocolate, being the same color as chocolate.

shoshana: geez, that sounds scary. but your ok now, right?

congrats MCB.

scope: nah, you can talk about NJ. i'll just sulk in the corner over there. (hey, a lurker!). and if it makes you feel better, my senior year of high school i can't tell you how many times i feel asleep during a movie in the theaters. but i got so little sleep, no matter how good the movie was, at least an hour into it and clonk.

 
At 25/9/06 3:08 AM, cary said...

Calling all Cherry Bombs - anyone have a spare shovel for me?

Nope, I haven't been forced to defend myself against the men in white coats (yet).

I have a pretty, fragrant, determined, and hungry wisteria bush that came with my house. Come every spring, summer, and fall, I have to sharpen my machete, lest the danged thing eat my house. This year, when it ate my front porch furniture, I was forced to drastic measures. I hired the community handyman to cut it down.

Only problem? Apparently my wisteria is in to S&M, 'cuz all that cutting only made it more determined. It sent an expedition force to my bedroom window. I paid the community handyman another $20 to dig it out.

This afternoon, I hear him out there with a pickaxe, swearing a God-fearing Christian's blue streak. I asked him, "Why the pickaxe?"

Apparently, my shovel lost the battle with the wisteria. The shovel head is now bent at a 45 degree angle to the shaft.

Hold off on evidence to bury for a few days girls (and boys). I'll have to wait for payday to buy a new shovel.

 
At 25/9/06 3:51 AM, ZaZa said...

BUSINESS

I've added a bunch more samples to the logo page. When Lori gets back, I'm sure she'll be putting them on the blog.

If some of them appear to be duplicates, it's because they have different fonts. Or the ones with the globe that now have a shovel, the shovel is at three different depths. The first version, I didn't realize it was a shovel, so BCB's sis did two more! And OH, Holly incorporated some of your suggestions in hers.

wcban (blue)
They're banning bathrooms/toilets???

 
At 25/9/06 8:55 AM, bon cheri bomb said...

Cary- good luck with the wisteria. At least it smells and looks good while it's taking over your property. Unlike kudzu.

Thanks Jen and OH and Scope Dope for the concern. I'm fine. Nice to know my heart can still race wildly. [grin]

The real irony is that I spent most of the weekend worrying about DD18 who drove with about a dozen of her friends up to Baltimore for the weekend to attend a big concert event up there -- The Who, The RH Chili Peppers, Wolfmother, Narls Barkley (sp?), etc. I was feeling so relieved that she and her caravan of friends made it there and back without incident and that I had returned her safely to her dorm.

I think the air smells fresher this morning, had anyone else noticed?

bw

 
At 25/9/06 9:05 AM, me said...

Jen-t said: Question: Who in our blog world does NOT know about green m&m's and the effect they have on you?

I have a mug with the Green M&M character that says "The rumors are true." I love that mug.

Get better soon Jenny! Being sick sucks. And thanks for the ficelle lesson! I always get such interesting information here.

 
At 25/9/06 9:37 AM, AgTigress said...

http://www.snopes.com/risque/aphrodisiacs/mandms.asp

:-)

(Incidentally, it was only within the last few years that I discovered that M&Ms, so often mentioned in American novels, were the same sweets as Smarties. I think they are called M&Ms here as well, now).

 
At 25/9/06 9:47 AM, me said...

agtigress: Smarties in America are something else entirely, not chocolate, but tiny colored tart sugar discs that come in a cellophane roll.

 
At 25/9/06 9:49 AM, Bryan said...

agtigress,

Aren't Smarties a little bit bigger with a flat edge? It's been years since I've had one.

gatorperson said: "Bryan, I thought you spent Saturdays at Starbucks writing your great western novel! Did you go to Stanford?"

Sundays are "Starbuck's Sunday" though I do have the occassional "Starbuck's Sunday" on Saturday. But I was working this Saturday. And no, I didn't go to Stanford, but I lived not far away for four years. Standford is my #2 college team (after Navy).

 
At 25/9/06 10:03 AM, McB said...

First, can we get a headcount of CBs in the midwest please? Let us know you survived the storms this weekend?

BCB - Thank Bob you were alert. See all those roadtrips are good for the reflexes. People on the road are nuts. Reminds me of my last trip up to PA a few months ago. Some guy in a truck was pulling a really long storage trailer behind him. Idiot crossed 4 lanes to make a left turn and seemed oblivious to the fact that he was blocking 2 1/2 lanes.

Cary - Wisteria ... we have some climbing a community retaining wall. Love the smell of it. But it only blooms for us in the early-mid summer. But I can appreciate the headache. I mistakenly planted morning glory seeds 3 years ago. I spend every summer since pulling them out. And Bob forbid I don't get out there for a few weeks because they'll be choking everything else out.

Tigress: Don't know what Smarties are across the pond, but here they are tiny tart candies in in cellophane tubes about the size of a cigarette. M&M's are the colorful candy shells surrounding a pellet of chocolate.

Love the new logos! I think I might have a new favorite - but again they are all SO CLEVER!

 
At 25/9/06 10:03 AM, andi said...

Holy cow, you try to attend to your real life, and you miss some really entertaining stuff in your cyber life - jeez!

Jenny - feel better, if you have access to Vernors, it is a miracle pop, as you Yankees like to say. My gramma always plied that and coke syrup for all that ails.

Cary - too funny! your fair and balanced reference, LOL, as we've noted before, our fathers have lots in common, and we must too!
Is wisteria the one that smells like grape jelly?

BCB - glad you're all right, and pulse in back to normal!

Jen - my DH is famous for picking out the green M&Ms and sliding them to me, especially at any party. He loves the Christmas bags b/c of all green M&Ms, not coincidentally today is my DS's 13th birthday, lets see 13yrs and 9mos ago, what month was it? hmmm
Also, did ya know this is the most popular birth week in northwestern civilization, hmmm, wonder why?
And I dated a Frank in HS and he was yummy, tall, curly-blonde, great smile, football stud, student council - you go with your Frank hero!

 
At 25/9/06 10:15 AM, Cherry Magic Sheryl said...

Here in Canada smarties are candy covered chocolate disks. They are flatter than m&ms but not as tasty to my mind. the chocolate isn't as predominant. We even have smarties bars now which doesn't seem right to me.
I don't care what colour the m&ms are,just keep em coming : ) This could be why my diet isn't working.

 
At 25/9/06 10:22 AM, btuda said...

Geez Louise, people. I'm going to go way over 30 characters with this one.

First and foremost, Get Well Soon, Jenny. Being sick really stinks.

OH: on your party that was over by 11 on a Saturday. That was the story of my college life. IU is supposedly a "dry" campus (if that isn't the biggest joke in the Big Ten) which means no alcohol on campus. You had to be on a list in order to get into the Frat parties so they could figure out who the excise police were. Nearly every single party I got on a list for was busted by 10. Since "no one" went early to a party, my friends and I would arrive just as excise was cleaning up. Turns out I'm more of a lurker instead of a party animal anyway. Oh well.

Banned books: I saw that Judy Blume was on the list. When I was in elementary school, there was a boy in my class that decided to pick "Are You There God? It's Me Margaret" as his book for his oral book report. I think it was the shortest report in history because I remember him saying, "It's about a girl growing up," and then he turned beet red. Since he blushed so hard, the teacher knew he had at least read the book.

I think I want to be a ficelle. I never seem to know the right questions to ask and I never know what's going on, so I think it would be a good move. I had to laugh that the word meant both a string and a baguette. Then I remembered trying to explain Rocky and Bullwinkle to an exchange student and the only "moose" she knew was the hair product (mousse).

robin: two candles. LMOA.

diane: you read my mind. I've learned somethings new today. Can I go home too? All the talk about electric blankets make me want to take a nap.

jen-t: Cool that you're a snopes.com person too. I love that site. One of my sisters tends to believe half the emails she gets and I have to send her there constantly to show here that Bill Gates really isn't going to send her money for filling up my inbox.

lynn, on lake-effect: I grew up in LaPorte, Indiana, right off Lake Michigan. LaPorte is apparently French for "Good luck finding your car before spring." The first year we lived there the snow drifts were over the house. It didn't do any good to let the dog out because all the fences were buried every year and they would run amok all over the neighborhood.

BCB: glad you're OK.

Checking in after storms. All Ok here, just got a little damp as DSS's football game. I made him sit on a sheet of plastic on the way home (football - mud - cream interior of car ... yikes).

inoqmhp: info hump, on questions making head pound
(otherwise known as information overload)

 
At 25/9/06 10:25 AM, me said...

mcb: Midwest CB here alive and well; all storms well south of me, just some rain and BRRR it got cold.

Andi: I'm in Michigan, where Vernors is made, but I can't stand the stuff. Mom says it's because I'm a transplanted Michigander (originally from Philly), so I wasn't exposed to it in the womb.

Here the difference between the two candies:
http://www.nestle.com/Our_Brands/Chocolate_Confectionery/Smarties
and
www.smarties.com

 
At 25/9/06 10:44 AM, Bryan said...

By the way, I got a call from Glamour-geek and Mary last night. They asked to speak to Dee.

bcb,

tell me you were able to capture their little hula dance in a video file. GG's hoping there is no evidence.

 
At 25/9/06 10:46 AM, btuda said...

I just knew I'd forget something.

At DSS-10's football game, one of the kids was taken off on a stretcher as a precaution (he might have broken his hip). Hopefully all's ok, but I haven't heard for certain yet. Good grief. These are 4th, 5th & 6th graders. And I was worried when he started soccer.

The kids on the other team were big. Really big. DSS is pretty good sized himself and this was the first time he ate a lot of dirt. I had to laugh though. He was trying to tell me that this one kid that knocked him down came out of no where and he must have "blacked out." Turns out he was "blindsided" instead and I had to explain the difference so he didn't freak out his mom when he told her.

Here's a good one. Apparently, I forgot to tell my mother that I'm writing again. I resurrected a MS about six months ago (about the time I started showing up here) after taking a break from kicking a dead horse for a few years. Got married, tried to adjust to being an instant step-mom, and thwarting the DH's ex when I can took up a lot of time and writing took a back seat for a few years. So I'm talking to my mom about this blog and she got quiet on the other end. Then she started carrying on about how she was so happy for me. I had to quickly verify that I didn't accidently say she was going to be a new grandma anytime soon, but no. So she's glad I'm writing again. Huh. I didn't realize it was such a big deal (to her). Cool. Of course, now I REALLY need to have something to show for it so I'd better get cracking.

nakmeg: shorthand for Meg's naked

 
At 25/9/06 11:06 AM, GatorPerson said...

Cary - Here in NC wisteria is considered an invasive species. Forsythia gets so confounded big I never recommend it. I recommend camellia japonicas and winter jasmine as early spring-flowering plants. You may need to Roundup the wisteria sprigs that come up next spring from the left-behind roots to kill all the roots way down.

AgTigress - I thought only borograves could be wimsy. Is that a synonym for our wimpy? I'm dying to use wimsy, ficelle, and skeuomorph in sentences in public. Snort! I've think I've got sk.. down pat - pressed plastic pots with bas relief of ropes, etc., "Southern" columns really metal posts covered with plastic square white columns. GatorPerson - what a snotty snob!

vhfhvzlo: Very Hairy Fairies Have Very Zaftig Lovely Outfits.

 
At 25/9/06 11:12 AM, Lori said...

Some BUSINESS and some PLEASURE:

Hey CBs. Not caught up with comments, but I was able to update the CherryBombs Ideas blog on my break. Newest samples are there to comment on, and you can follow the link to G-G & Mary.


 
At 25/9/06 11:22 AM, GatorPerson said...

Arghh! Mimsy, not wimsy!
Jen-T, swallow now. OK.
True story: My DH and SIL from FL came to visit. We lived in a dry county and had to brown bag in our own likker to the restaurant and had to pay dearly for a setup of ice and mixers. My DH sneared, "When you go to a hohouse here do you have to bring your own hos?

 
At 25/9/06 11:35 AM, AgTigress said...

Smarties, in my youth, were flattened spheroid discs about, maybe, 15 mm in diameter, encased in a crisp, coloured sugar shell with a glossy surface, and filled with chocolate. In the 1950s, the dark red ones and the brown ones contained dark chocolate, while the others - yellow, orange etc. - contained milk choc. I think, but can't be certain, that the orange ones had orange-flavoured choc. I don't remember if there were green ones. There may well have been, but if they had milk choc in them, I'd have avoided them. Blech. Later on, I think they all contained milk chocolate. But I am talking about more than half a century ago.

The sweets now sold here that are called M&Ms certainly look pretty well exactly like Smarties of old, but I have never eaten one, so I can't be sure.

I assume that if Mars have stopped using the name 'Smarties' for the sugar-covered 'chocolate beans', they may have applied the name to a different type of sweet in the USA.

 
At 25/9/06 11:44 AM, AgTigress said...

Oh, wow! This is far more complex than I thought!

Looks as though UK Smarties do still exist (though I am sure I have seen M&Ms here too), and have a completely separate history:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A571727

They are certainly the same concept - chocolate encased in a sugar shell. And I was right about the orange-flavoured chocolate, though I didn't see a mention of the good dark choc in my quick skim through the article. That was all I ever ate them for.

Peanuts? Good heavens, no. No peanuts in Smarties. Blech again.

 
At 25/9/06 11:52 AM, McB said...

HEY LORI!

Check your email.

 
At 25/9/06 11:59 AM, AgTigress said...

Sorry, ME - just noticed that you had already posted the URLs for illustrations of Smarties and the American sweets also called Smarties.
Why can't we all have proper clickable links on this blasted Blogger, eh? Heck, there are SO many annoying things about it! I tend not to notice an URL in this tiny, piffling little font, unless it is in a contrasting colour.
And then, having gone cross-eyed reading the posts and my own reply, I have to go doubly cross-eyed with the stupid verification letters.

 
At 25/9/06 12:06 PM, McB said...

Tigress, there is a way to do clickable links if you have a blog. I think some of us have done them a few times. I have trouble remembering the sequence for links, so sometimes I just copy the url instead. I try not to attempt remembering too many things at once, being confused enough as it is.

 
At 25/9/06 12:30 PM, K.L. said...

Man has it been a busy blogging day. I caught up on Saturday and Sunday, and still had a big catch up read. And now I am trying to snort quietly since I am at work. They really hate replacing keyboards here. I love starting the day with all the laughs you people bring me.

Yes, we had all the green M&M stories here growing up. Making you horny, not getting pregnant. We reserved the getting pregnant stories for splashing in the ocean. For some reason, the powers that be, decided that kids didn't need sex education until their senior year when I was in school. By then we already had figured out more than they were willing to share with us. When they got to the explaination of pregnancy, they showed us a film of a couple wa