SHE WROTE: A Few Clarifications
There seem to be a few misconceptions out there, so I thought I'd clear some things up:
Sister Sites: Those are sites that Mollie and I actually control, so the only links that will be posted there are the ones that are there now except for the Unfortunate Miss Fortunes site that will go up sometime in June. The internet: We love it.
The Coffee: I don’t do mornings; Bob does. I don’t drink coffee; Bob does. Bob spends a fair amount of time at my house so he is no longer a guest. He gets up when he wants to and he makes his own coffee when he wants it, and eventually we wander into each other and work, but it’s not like he needs a hostess, which is why I figure it’s up to him to empty the coffee pot rather than leave it to me to guess if he’s made any that morning. He knows where the sink is, he used it to fill the coffeemaker with water in the first place. This week I was really in a crunch getting Agnes off to Fed Ex, so Friday at 4 AM I was printing out two copies of the ms to send to Jen and Meg while typing the handout for our seminar the next day, setting up the Fed Ex pick up, running the sweeper in his room and making sure his bathroom was clean and his bed was made, and I noticed there were a couple of pieces of paper in the wastepaper basket next to his desk from the last time he was there, and I meant to empty that but forgot, but I made sure there were bottles of water in the car so that when, after about six hours of sleep, I picked him up at the airport, he’d have water and he would be properly hydrated. I also offered to let him drive my new car, put up with some of the most obnoxious back seat driving ever, took him out for lunch, took him back to the house, and then printed out the hand-outs for the seminar we were doing the next day. The seminar went beautifully, we talked about Agnes and the new book and the essay we were going to do, everything was lovely. Then Sunday morning he said, “The coffee was still in there from the last time I was here and it was moldy.” I thought, “What the hell?” but I did not say, “Well, why didn’t you empty it before you left the last time, you goober?” or “Gee, I guess the coffee fairies must have taken the last couple of weeks off,” or even “Bite me, Bob, you can walk to the airport,” I just said, “I’m sorry.” Then he said, “And you didn’t empty the wastebasket in my room.” [Crickets here.] Yes, it was a near death moment for the Bobster, folks. The only reason he’s still with us is that he’s never been like that before. I have no idea what was wrong with him. I’m just assuming it was a short personality blip and that we will now return to our regular Bob. The fact that he then posted it on the blog, I am lumping with the rest of the Bob-had-a-senior-moment phenom. I am quite sure it won’t happen again. Quite. Sure.
The New Series: I was going to say that the stripper nun and the religious assassin idea was an idle daydream of Bob’s fertile brain and not a real project but I’m getting to like it. My girl would not be a stripper nun but she’d be some kind of undercover something who had identities as both a stripper and a nun, and I can see her getting stuck with Bob’s religious assassin on a mission--although the last religion he tried to saddle a character with was Buddhism and when I asked him what he knew about Buddhism he said, “Nothing,” so I’d have to wait and see exactly what religion he came up with there, I’m think the guy would probably be a Thuggee—and then the vampires and the mermaids kind of threw me because I thought, “Where the hell did Bob come up with mermaids?” but then I remembered we’d just been in the Norfolk airport and he’d had to sit and look at this sculpture of a half-naked mermaid for quite some time and it probably imprinted on him. The religious assassin’s vow of chastity is not a problem because my girl has more sense than to get carnally involved with a guy who’s both a killer and a monk, but she does not get frustrated. My girl knows how to take care of herself. Then the whole thing about her having sex with the mermaids is just Bob and his assassin monk wanting to watch, so they’ll have to go play somewhere else. Same thing with my girl opening the assassin’s armor like he’s a can of tuna. Sometimes I worry about Bob and his fantasies. Then I remember: Not my problem. Where was I? Oh, yeah, my girl’s not taking a vow of chastity, either. This is Bob’s idea of conflict? He can have the vicious mermaids nursing his monk back to health if he wants although it sounds like Monty Python’s Holy Grail to me. And stretching this whole who’s-chaste-and-who’s-not thing out over three books? I don’t see it. But I kind of like my undercover whoever and the nun’s habit, and Bob writing a chaste assassin, that I’d like to see, and the mermaids and the vampires could be a lot of fun, so maybe it’s not a joke. It’s not Sanctuary, either, but you never know. Maybe we’ll do a really perverse fantasy where my stripper nun gets all the action and his assassin monk never gets laid.
Because he won’t rinse out his own damn coffee pot, the bastard.

89 Comments:
BIRGIN!!!!!!!!!!
ok, that was actually "virgin", this is what i get for not previewing in my rush to be first (which i am).
LMAO, Jenny. that really was a close one for the Bobster, thank Bob you have self-control. especially considering he needs to be writing about a chaste assassin now. not to mention the rest of the books.
Sorry... can't comment now, too busy laughing.
Oh damn. I just broke my vow of silence. Now I'll have to start all over again. This is All Your Fault Jenny.
p.s. OH, I kinda like Birgin ;)
I just had a Jen moment I'm laughing so hard. That Bob sure does like to live life on the edge.
If Bob isn't careful, his coffeepot may be filled with way worse than moldy coffee the next time he visits Jenny. She does get visited by turkey vultures every now and again. I don't know why anybody else even tries to do snark. It will always get compared to Our Cherry, and never measure up.
*giggling like a loon*
:D
Mermaids, vampires, assassin (religous), and chick undercover as a nun....
I can't wait! lol
So glad you gave us your POV Jenny. It didn't seem like you'd sit quietly by and let all those zingers go.
Has Bob suggested the chaste assassin to avoid having to write YEX?
Overall, I liked the stripper nun, mermaids, vampire killing whatever idea for a series. Your voice would make it so different that it would work. Not flattery, true.
xbvtg (green)
Xavier Beemer veered toward G-G. (good thing she's fast on her feet, or maybe he was hoping to give her a ride)
Oh thank god you posted. I was NOT into the whole stripper-mermaid-nun-assassin whatsits. My head hurt just thinking about it..I do like the idea of the assassin monk never getting laid though - just because I'm feeling particularly jaded by men's libidos at the moment. Yes, I know, too much information.
You know, if they just cleaned the damn coffee pot once in a while they'd be surprised how much more often they did get laid. Yeah, yeah, too much information.
MOLLY! JENNY! This new beta version is not working. I had to back up to an old screen to get to a place I could post a comment. I tried twice logging in with my Google identity, but it just kept blipping me back to the Blogger log in.
Well, since it appears to be impossible to comment on Aargh without a Blogger account, I'm pasting my comment here.
If I'm ever in a bind, Jenny, I hope I have you on my team. What you say is, of course, true, but an awful lot of people would rather laugh with the self-appointed "cook kids" than stand up for themselves. Someone who does that scares the bejeebers out of them. Don't rock the boat!
At least she didn't give a recipe for the clue cake. /;+)
The "Clue Cake Kid" lists her profession as "Agriculture" and her job as "Lily of the Field" on her blogger info. Nuff said.
I still think that combo of Mermaids, Stripper Nuns, etc, etc would make a good series.
Now, Jenny, you will have to give the Bobster a swift kick where it will do the most good to have him take care of his own coffee pot.
And if that doesn't work, there is always the keyboard.
nmbzu...red
some country in Africa
Geez, woman. I had hellish dreams last night of earthquakes and tsunamis and unimaginable destruction and wake up to find it’s just you, over here having a well-deserved tantrum. Or two. Awe inspiring as always, but makes it damn hard for a person to get that much needed rest.
Bob was probably just trying to distract you from that horrible, sinking, panic-stricken, loss of control feeling I’ve heard overwhelms a writer when she finally turns over a beloved, much-labored-over ms to her editor and/or agent. Not that I’d know what that’s like, not having an editor. Or an agent. Or a completed ms. [sigh] But I’ve heard about it.
So, you see? Bob was just doing you a favor, distracting you from all that.
*SNORT*
He’s lucky to be alive, isn’t he?
Um, Jenny? He is still alive. Right?
Ok, good. Just checking.
Ahh. Taking a wee break, is he?
It’s ok, he’ll be back. They always come back.
And when he does, send him to the nearest Starbucks.
BTW, thank you for pointing out that a certain self-appointed empress is not wearing anything very substantial, let alone particularly attractive. Long overdue.
bw
Well that was interesting.
Ah, my early morning laugh, right on time. Thanks, Jenny.
And thanks for clearing up some of Bob's mold-induced ramblings. Not to say they weren't amusing.
gykigyhy Get your kicks in GAM's YEX heathens tonight
Clean coffee pots and empty wastebaskets are for closers.
WOW!
'sokay, Jenny. We pretty much blamed it all on the mold in the coffee pot. Which was not your fault. He's the one who elected to drink it anyway. Personally I think you should just keep a jar of instant handy and let him deal.
However it was entertaining. And yeah, I think you should retaliate by keeping Bob's character an angst-ridden, eternally chaste, assassin monk. Then your girl will get to have all the fun stuff in the book, whoopin' ass and makin' whoopie.
On the other subject, I had stumbled across that site before and mostly thought, WTF? We of the CherryBomb persuasion might be snarky and at times even sarcastic, but we have no patience for snottiness.
Dearest Jenny, please do let Sister Krissie know that shovels are available should she decide to take action. We'd be honored.
When someone crosses over from "house-guest" to "you know where the chips are" empty wastebaskets and clean coffee pots, like Bob's odd stripper/nun/mermaid fantasy are all: Not your problem! YOU ROCK JENNY! and you get bonus points for water in the car. Plus I'm diggin' your undercover gal! Just not the mermaid-vampire thing. And wasn't there an unyexed assassin monk in that godawful book. But if this one is tall, dark with loopy curls it'd be OK. But then of course, I'd want him to get some action, and there goes the chaste part. It's the loopy curls that get me everytime! DUG - how's that for TMI.
Sounds like Bob deserved that funky coffeepot. He should be grateful, really really grateful.
Deb, good point succinctly stated.
Zaza, I've been experiencing some beta challenges also.
Very amusing. I think this was the last "grand hurrah" of the DLD tour. J&B riding off into the sunset still taking potshots at each other.
You know, it sounds like "the boy" has gotten too darn comfortable. Like an old married man. "The woman's place is in the kitchen, I'm in control of the remote." Sheesh!
Maybe all of those latte's he's been indulging in on the tour have gone to his head. Send him a jar of instant for Christmas, that should get him back on track. *grin*
I posted too, on the Snark article on the JC site. That really riled me. Anyway the comments part may have deliberately been turned off. Jenny may have wanted to do her public rant yet not want to be swamped by reader comments.
Here's a question: Do any of you think Miss Snark is a guy? I've never read the column before, and won't again.
There was something masculine about the thoughts, but a guy trying to write as a gal. Sort of an "old boy" attitude. Like you can't talk about the publishing industry in terms of your own experience, positive or negative, you have to keep your mouth shut and be grateful. Sort of like, in a bad marriage a guy is beating you up but you have to stay in the marriage and be grateful for the roof over your head.
Just wondering.
rg
Jenny - congrats on the new car, bummer about the back-seat driving. It sounds as if you were amazingly patient and gracious.
People who drink moldy coffee do it to have something to complain about (or because they're interested in what unusual chemicals might have been added by the fungus). Definitely not your fault.
I must admit that I find vows of chastity to not be a very engaging plot device. My reaction begins and ends with "why would anyone DO that?". It's one thing to have situationally-enforced chastity, but generally, figure out under what circumstances it's appropriate to have sex and when not. Otherwise it's just silly.
I wondered why there were no comments on Argh, Inc.
cowewwb: really big spider products
OK here's a big ol' piece of clue cake, those who take umbrage with someone else's opinions enough to write an entire column, yet don't offer situation improvement strategies should never be called anonymous, should always be called coward. Written by ANDI. see I take credit where credit or blame is due! and I tried to post on Miss Snark(really, snark is supposed to be funny,cutting,observational, NOT MEAN), and blooger wouldn't let me.
fyiaiym - what I'll call my family after too many turkeyday cocktails!
Scope Dope,
Pulling from the previous post, the question on the table is "why do men hate it when women cry?"
First, I think the best way to describe the "feeling" that a man has when a woman cries is primal, like what I imagine a nursing woman feels when a baby cries.
The first instinct is to fix it, whatever it is, no matter what it takes.
I think the reason it bothers us so much is because it takes away some of the control that we believe we have over our own lives. A woman's tears fill us with this primal emotion, an emotion that we are unable to ignore, an emotion that reminds us that even though we've become fairly adept at ignoring many of our other emotions they are still there, threatening to unleash themselves and forcing us to take action that we would prefer not to take.
You know, like saying "I'm sorry" or washing out the coffee pot, jeez.
IMO - Bob should be thankful he has a coffeepot at your house. As another non-coffee drinker, I totally understand the "if you want it, you make it, and clean out the pot when your done" rule.
I seem to remember that Bob lived by the "I can fix it - I can fix anything" philosophy. Surely that applies to coffeepots and "full" wastebaskets.
Thanks for the clarifications Jenny.
bryan: First, very insightful. Second, very funny (the end bit). Thanks for the giggle!
I wash my own damned teapot. Of course, no one else lives here, so if it's not clean I know exactly whose fault it is. Sadly, the teapot fairies do not come and wash my stuff, even if I do end up leaving it overnight.
That said, my last boss left a tea strainer on his desk shelf so long that it was practically sentient. He planned to throw it out rather than apply bleach and/or vinegar to kill anything in there. He had not yet done so months later when I left the job. It was getting progressively more disgusting, too.
What some men will do to avoid cleaning...
I wondered why there were no comments on Argh post.
Of course, this was quickly followed by OMG, I'm first and I have nothing intelligent to say. I know, counterproductive to a blog that all but cries out to take to the streets with our shovels, but apathy runs deep over here. It's getting harder and harder to find people who will stand up and say, "I don't agree with you" without being a media slut in the process. If you disagree, fine, but you best have some thing concrete to back you up.
And back to the moldy coffee - are we looking at a new section of the book stores? The ones written while drinking moldy coffee? Maybe we could call it What Were They Drinking? section. Or my old favorite stand-by: the WTH books.
tzymto: tizzy-moto. To spew snarkiness with good reason while traveling
nbyyqkid: The Nobody Yaks Quietly Kid
Bryan - It was I who asked why most men hate to see women cry. Thanks for the explanation. It's somewhat related, as I suspected, to phobias. Yep, I go almost ballistic hearing a baby cry, makes no sense, it's not my baby. FIX IT NOW. In the case of snakes, that translates to get away, barf, shiver out of control. Hmmm - one seems to trigger a form of "fight" and the other "flight."
There you go, another novel theme for you. SNORT. As if you had time.
jihtjqab: Piffle. 2 j's and 1 q. Piffle, I say!
Just an opinion, but after reading Jenny's AARGH blog about Miss Snark, I think that including some publishing related stuff in addition to the writing stuff on the 2007 HW/SW blog would be very interesting.
BCB - I see you are OK and the tornado didn't get you, but is Margaret OK?? MARGARET - you OK??
Lou
We had tornadoes?? Huh.
I think they were further south and east, although there were warnings here all morning. Yup, Im OK.
Thanks for worrying.
I wonder how Mr. "I can't clean a coffee pot" Mayer did out on his island during the wild weather. Maybe he just hung his coffee pot outside, and let Mother Nature clean it for him. If so, lets hope she left a few surprises too.
k.l.,
It's not that Bob can't clean the coffee pot. It's just that he had no incentive to clean the coffee pot. I mean, it's not as if he were being tortured by vicious half-naked mermaid terrorists or anything. Or crying half-naked mermaid terrorists, either.
Good, glad everyone's OK 'cause our news here said there were 7 dead because of the tornadoes and the story came out of Raleigh. Spooky things, tornadoes!!
I have a solution to the coffee pot issue..do what I did with my BIL - I got rid of the coffee pot. I don't drink coffee, no one in my house drinks coffee, so when the coffee pot was left out and it got all nasty from the last time BIL was there and he said something like, "Jen, this is gross. Why don't you clean it?" I said, "Because I don't use it, you did, so you clean it, shithead." He said, "But it's not mine." so I said, "It's yours now. So take it with you." He didn't so I broke it and in the trash it went. Now he has to drive to the mobil station for his coffee. I offered him a diet coke, but that didn't work.
As far as the rest of the stuff goes....yeah, interesting.
Lou: You're sweet to worry. The deaths were in the SE part of the state, well away from Raleigh in terms of area impacted. My DS, who is east of here but not that far south, is fine too. We just had lots of thunder and lightning here -- not much sleeping past about 4:30 this am.
Bryan: LOL! No incentive, indeed. Plus he had his trusty lighter and canteen cup. How thoughtful of Jenny to provide her non-guest with some of the nostalgic comforts of Army life. Next trip maybe he'll find a cot and scratchy blanket.
Marcia: That was my thought as well, re including publishing advice in the HWSW:2007 blog. Which I stated (somewhat more clearly than this) in the comment I left over there for Jenny. I hope she'll read it before she deletes it for being too anonymous (even though SHE knows my name).
I was curious after all that and realized I'd never read an Anne Stuart book (I know, I'm such a delinquent, but I can't read everything). So I went out today and bought her new one -- yes, I braved the budget-breaking local B&N. A writer friend whose opinion I respect said some very nice things about it on Anne Stuart's blog. Can't wait to read it.
bw
Those crying half-naked mermaid terrorists are pretty powerful beings. I can see why most men would have problems with them. On the one hand, they are crying and half naked which would cause most men to go towards them. Then you have the terrorist part which means "run away". So they mostly just stand there imobilized in confusion. Works for me.
Somehow I don't think half-naked mermaids offer much incentive for a guy to change his ways. Ya know, they might actually not have a problem with torture by mermaid. Unless of course the mermaid cried.
Bryan clarified ... You know, like saying "I'm sorry" or washing out the coffee pot, jeez.
*snort*
Um I did already inform Jenny, on behalf of CBs, that should Ms. Stuart need assistance, shovels would be rendered. What got me was not that Ms. Snork disagreed with Stuart's comments - she had every right to her own opinion. It was her snotty, sermonizing from the mount, I'm right and you are clearly an inferior attitude. By ripping at Sister Krissie that way she proved herself no better than her target, and in fact quite inferior as she hides behind a psuedonym while SK had the guts to give her opinions under her own name.
BCB...
Re: Anne Stuart
I've been reading her for some time. Always excellent. "Cold As Ice" is her latest..."Black Ice " preceeds it....I believe there will be a third in the series.
Some of her early Intrigue books are quite good...The "Catspaw" series for instance.
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BTW, Jenny has commented over on Argh that she did not intend to have the comments there subject to moderator approval and has put them through and corrected the settings -- though she is not allowing "anonymous" comments. Are we surprised? No.
Good for you, Jenny. What was it inkgrrl said recently? Something like rock on with your bad self?
Louis: Thanks for the recommendation. B&N was out of Black Ice and I will have to order it -- next paycheck.
bw
I enjoy the Anne Stuart books too, but I have to be in the right mood. They are not light-hearted breezy reads. The male leads are usually fairly cold-hearted, so the female lead generally ends up physically suffering at some point. They are very well written with good suspense though so I do enjoy them.
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Kay T--Just right-click your mouse and it will bring up a list of commands (Back, Forward, Reload, etc.)
coffee: bleah.
i just had dept. meetings. that's the best your getting right now.
Not to change the subject or anything, but to give the GAM his status back after that whole issue of the coffee pot, *grin* he does "scathingly brilliant critiques." Not for the tender hearted though.
I'd written my first romantic suspense and was getting rave reviews from critique partners etc. I'd finaled in a contest, I had a request for three chapters from an agent and then later a request for the full manuscript. Plus, I personally thought it was my best book yet.
I had the opp to put two pages before a panel of agent judges. While they said the writing was good, they said I needed to get more suspense up front, especially for an international setting.
I wrote three or four pages from one of the antagonist's POV's stuck it at the front of half the first chapter, bringing it to Bob's requirement of fifteen pages. But, you have to submit a one page synopsis. Who in romance writing can do one of those babies ... not me? I entirely left out the character I opened the story with. Heh heh.
Anyways, he shot ginormous holes right through it. And here's the killer ... he said the opening scene looked like it had just been dropped in there. Well, duh.
I've worked hard at revising this week (he did give me some other good advice) and the agent (bless her heart I'd love to work with her) understood my request for her to trash the copy she has. I'm ready to send off a fresh copy tomorrow. And would you believe, I've gone back to the way it was originally? Which was the way it got the agent's attention in the first place, and the way it finalled in the contest. When will I ever learn to leave well enough alone?
rg
rg: i have that problem too- always fixing something until it turns into a mess. esp in art (not so much in writing; i don't rewrite enough in writing).
Hey anon rg - if at first we do succeed, we are still compelled to try, try again. It is genetically encoded. Good for you for trying, better for you for being open enough to see the error. and of course congrats. but mostly when can we read this?
Bryan - ahh the tears, hears the deal, we usually don't want you to fix it, it is a great emotional release,we want the hug that sould come when we cry and mostly we know how to fix it anyway, we just won't accept what the fix is. We can't all be terrorist, self-suffient, mermaids ya know.
glad all known Carolinans are safe.
Andi,
intellectually, I understand that. However, the response cannot be controlled. It is a primal emotion, fight or flight, the woman is in pain, something must be done. And the fact that we usually do the wrong thing probably contributes to the reason why we don't like it when women cry.
Anne Stuart - I've read Anne Stuart. I like Anne Stuart. I don't read Miss Snark. I did once and well, lets just say I never went back. Just not my cup of tea.
Crying? I hate crying. I don't like to cry and if I am, leave me alone. Really, I don't want a hug, unless I ask for one of course, but if not, just leave me alone. I'll get over it, whatever it is, eventually. I always do.
wegbufer - yeah, right.
Bryan, I quite honestly don't like it when any adult cries. I'm not all in touch and that stuff. It just makes me horribly uncomfortable, and awkward. I, of course, cry all the time, really I cry a lot, so go figure on my aversion to others crying. Maybe I have that male thing of fix-it and didn't know it until now. I hope that is what it is, because I'd hate to be callous, and it isn't that I'm uncaring, I think it maybe that not in touch thing, I just know for sure, adults, besides me, crying wigs me out.
About this crying business. I started it. I am unprivileged to have to deal with a couple of women who use crying as a means to manipulate the males. I asked Bryan and Louis for their input, female CB's, too, but I thought the men might have better insight. Yep, primal, uncontrollable (male) response. It fits what I've observed. 'Course, I want to b****slap them.
As opposed to an awards banquet tonight where I was sitting next to the woman who got the highest award. She didn't expect it and was thrilled to tears. Her husband froze in dismay at the tears. I just reached over and gave her a 10 second hug. Then she was able to gain control and go get the award. Thanked me afterwards.
Crying to manipulate is really despicable. Crying to release is very healthy. Definitely dont try and fix-it. Sit with us, tell us our butts look great, nod and murmur and say yes and no in appropriate places.
And then this is very important - do not try to have sex with us. Ruins all that good work ;-)
wkwut - pissed owl
saw the play Short Eyes (really good), then power went out.
this is for Cherise:
Brain: Are you pondering what i'm pondering?
Pinky: Wuh, I think so, Brain, but how will we get three pink flamingos into one pair of Capri pants?
- Pinky and the Brain
crying: i do it in private and away from everyone. only time i cried in public was at funerals (and not even all of those) and a very emotionally charged meeting about rape/sexual abuse. other than that, my tears are not in front of people.
other people crying: seeing anyone cry freaks me out. adults esp, but when a friend cries i feel helpless. want to know if they want to get away (when we're at school). pat their backs, do half hugs, and yep, let them talk.
crying. one of the few things that freaks me out. nice to release, but not in front of people.
night all.
Anybody else have the misfortune of crying when you become angry? I hate it. It totally diminishes the point I'm trying to make and makes the other person automatically think I am a hormonally irrational person. And it impedes a true catharsis, at least for me.
yes I cry when I'm angry and extemely frustrated, like when I've lost all control of a situation and want to strangle someone, but that's illegal, so I cry instead. And then I feel like just another stupid helpless female, but it's better than jail time.
Calling all CB writers: I need help. I'm writing a YEX scene and I've hit a roadblock. (I figure we talk about mermaids and monks getting it on, so I can ask this without much embarassment.) (I hope.) In the first scene, hero uses a condom. But the 2nd time, heroine ambushes him for a quickie, no condom (wasn't prepared). So my question is, does the hero need to mention the non-use, followed by the heroine explaining she's covered? (I did this but it sounds awkward. Which, really, it should be, I guess.) Or should I not mention it at all the 2nd time? Or should I get rid of all references altogether as taking away from the moment? Or is this all just TMI?
Please help, any suggestions you may have. Thanks! (and sorry if I've creeped anyone out)
tdvqd today Dad vanquished queen's demons
ME: I think it largely depends on the hero. Is he the type to worry about this? Since he used one initially, he's responsible; but is he obsessive about it? Or can you see him thinking "well maybe we got away with it. Wait and see." I don't mean that to sound irresponsible ... but more like not worrying until you know there's something to worry about.
Which one would be a character violation?
MCB, you’re a genius. I was going about it all wrong, from the viewpoint of the shy, quiet girl who lets go for once. But he is so the type who would worry about it, a workaholic who doesn’t think he wants a family because he’d feel guilty working so much and not giving them the attention he knows they deserve. So I think I can make this work with some tweaking. THANK YOU!
Quite welcome! Glad I could help.
Lie quietly, Zaz.
me - there was a scene like this in a Linda Howard book. The hero, at the very last minute before penetration, realized "damn, no condom". He looked at the heroine, said, "Do you want me to stop?" She shook her head no and YEX took place.
Something to think about...
Louis, left you a question on the "Where's Moot" blog having to do with military stuff. It's one of the last posts.
ok, crying: I don't think that people (okay, women) should use crying as a way of manipulating people at a meeting or at work - which I think was gaterpersons example. That is just not acceptable. Where I work now, crying, shouting, etc., is considered being out of control and is not something that should be inflicted on others.
BUT, of course we do cry, and sometimes even at work.
which is another long way of saying that my mom is dying and I am off to visit/help right now. I have been crying for almost two weeks now. I sort of resolved that I would have tears going down my face at any time and am trying to deal with it. Hope driving while crying will be okay. I downloaded the new Jayne Anne Krentz to listen to in the car (3 hours), maybe that will keep me in denial.
Also, have any of you experienced Crazy Auntie Purl blog? She is pretty funny. Anyway, I was reading some of her stuff the other day and she was saying that while she was married, when her car would break down and she would call her H crying and saying, the car broke down and whatever, he would say - well call triple A. After the split up she called a girl friend in tears one day when the car had broken down and the friend said, "I will be right there." And she realized that was what she had wanted all along. Another example of the male urge to fix it. Of course I would probably also suggest that she get a new car, but that is my manager side coming out (not even a male manager side, but a female manager side that will hopefully fix it and comfort). [side note - it amazes me what people right about themselves on blogs - Aack!]
Just thinking about all of the hugs from you all also makes me cry. And even though I have not posted about my mom, I know that you will send good thoughts my way.
BTW there have been some changes on Bob's wikipedia article. Just saying.
And Jenny, this rant was so perfect. I think Bob pushed those buttons he was aiming for.
also, thanks for the info on the right click!
Kay T, Yes, you should already be feeling the (((hugs))) from us. There is no easy way around the imminent death of a close family member. NO words or ways to "fix it". Just know that we are with you in thoughts and prayers. Drive safe and blog back when you get a chance.
Kay T .... lots of (((HUGS)))
As K.L. said, there aren't words to fix it. And its one of those times when tears do indeed have a purpose, to cleanse the soul.
I almost never cry. And when I do, I make sure that there's no one else around to witness it. I don't like to show people that angry/hurt/frustrated/vulnerable side.
However. About 7-8 months ago I had a complete breakdown at work. My boss- the best boss I'd ever had, as well as a really good friend, and the one person I really felt was in my corner in a crappy work situation- was transferring that week to another division. We'd also just hired a new accountant, and he was coming into a major mess. He called me to complain that I hadn't followed his instructions on something to the letter- which is kind of a joke, considering he refused to give us any of our instructions in writing. He yelled at me- taking out his own frustrations- for about 5 minutes until I started to cry. When he realized I was crying he apologized. AND THEN HE KEPT YELLING. I finally told him I couldn't talk to him any more and hung up. And then I just wailed. Every stress, every worry, every frustration that I'd felt in the last year and a half at that job all came out at my desk. A co-worker in the next room- with the door closed- heard me and came running, thinking someone had died. Nope. She was just lucky enough to catch the once-every-ten-years Becky breakdown.
I felt a little bit bad about it afterwards. I know he caught hell for making me cry. What he did was really unprofessional, but it also wasn't all his fault. If he caught me on a different week I would have handled the situation better. I only worked with him for about another six weeks before I left the company. But he never yelled at me again.
Kay T - Please accept my heartfelt sympathies. I went through what you are going through a couple of years ago. It's devastating! Please take care of yourself. And yes, it's OK to drive while crying as long as you keep your eyes open and on the road. Take care.
kay t: yes, truly sorry about your mom, and as many (((HUGS))) as you need. keep crying because sometimes that's the only thing you can do to get through this. and yes, you can cry while driving, just be careful.
Kay T - I'm so sorry! I hope that the downloaded book takes you out of yourself enough to enable you to drive safely. Your grief will still be there, but maybe a rest from it will help. You and your family will be in my prayers.
It's unprofessional and/ or immature to completely lose it when someone else just keeps going ON at you, but sometimes it does make them stop, when being professional and calm doesn't. Not always (my sympathies, Lone Star Cherry), and not necessarily something one can plan, but occasionally surprisingly effective. "I didn't realize you felt that way!". Jeez.
I see other Diane has posted on the Miss Snark thing (either that or I had a cerebral event), so I'd better keep parenthesizing my identity (although I skipped one yesterday).
claddkxz: crying lets adults deter demented kleptocrats, xylophonically zealous
Kay T - always OK to cry while driving, sometimes it is best, get it out alone, ya know? Much heartfelt sympathy, and prayers for your continued strength.
Christina - I too cry from anger and frustration, then realize I'm crying, and get more angry and frustrated. This hasn't happened in real life for a long time, but my only bad dreams deal with my husband diminishing me and those always involve that unfortunate cry, and me socking him while he sleeps. I'm not sure why I have these dreams, b/c my DH never diminishes me in our life, must be my greatest fear. And I do believe my dreams are one of his because I really let him have it, and as he is asleep, he is never prepared.
Kay t, I'm so sorry. ((HUGS)). We're here for you when you get back.
Andi - interesting thing dreams. The real target may be someone else entirely, or even a situation that DH is standing in for. Something that you feel anxious about. And think about this, even in your dream, you feel secure enough to lash out at DH.
For years and years, everytime I felt stressed I had this dream about getting lost walking home from school, or not being able to find a classroom. I was having this dream well into my 20s and early 30s, so school was no longer an issue (and btw, I never got lost, either walking home or finding my class, in real life). But in my dreams it represented a situation I felt I had lost control of. It was the loss of control that the dream was really about.
Dreams are rarely about what they are about.
Kay -t, so very sorry.
Drive carefully.
Hugs.
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Big hugs to you and drive carefully. I'm so sorry to hear about your mom, it's never easy, but crying in this case is good and necessary.
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(((kay-t))) Be careful if crying while driving. We worry because we care. We're here whenever you need us.
Louis - thanks for the answer.
i hate crying when i'm angry. because then people ignore my anger portion, and believe me, that's the part they need to watch out for.
I just talked to Kay T. It will be a bit before she's back, but I assured her that her CB community is sending her hugs and that we will be here for her when she has time to return. She seems to be doing ok right now. But I did tell her to call me if she needed/wanted to.
mcb: so funny about dreams. Usually my dreams are completely literal. I'm worried about a business presentation, I dream about the business presentation; I'm worried about an exam (when I was in school), I dream about an exam. So much for Freud.
That said, I had a recurring nightmare as a child that the Cat in the Hat was chasing me. That makes complete sense to me. He represents chaos, particularly when parents are absent, which was about the scariest thing for a kid who moved every few years and whose stability was her parents (and they were, and are, very stable) and having familiar things around (books, art, stuffed animals) regardless of the actual location of the moment.
(((Kay-T))) so sorry to hear about your mom.
Christina I cry when I'm angry especially if I've been under a lot of stress that doesn't have to be related to what ends up making me cry. It makes me madder because you lose all credibility when you start crying. Usually I don't have a clue that I'm going to cry until I start. If I did, I'd walk away until I got myself under control. Tho I got ticked at a mean comment my sister made the other day that attacked my skill as a mother and I told her to F*%* off instead of getting upset and hanging up and crying. I was so proud of myself.
rss: i told someone to f- off today too. didn't come close to crying. :)
have a good night. later.
nfixfv: not fix, forgive (eh, sounded cooler in my head)
Timely little conversation going on here. I've started intensive psychotherapy and apparently, last week we hit "issues". Instead of enlightenment, I spent the last 7 days all weepy and emotional. Definitely not my normal. (And no, Andi, I don't think that makes us callous and uncaring. Just not as dehydrated as all those other folks.)
And, 'cuz, you know, the cosmos have it out for me this week, I've been coping with family mortality. My 92 year old grandma fell and broke her leg and hip. This is her second fall in a year. She had surgery last Friday, and thankfully, despite her frailty, came through with flying colors. And my father has been diagnosed with myelofibrosis. We spent this week waiting for some test results to see how far the disease had advanced.
Thankfully, my boss has been out of the office most of the week, so he couldn't see me crying at my desk. And thankfully, my psychiatrist recognized the crisis and upped my meds.
But I hate crying, and not just for the headache it always leaves me with. I guess because I always wanted Dad's approval and presence, and he doesn't handle tears or pain in family well. (And yet, this is the guy who stayed by my side through two surgeries. And didn't get completely icked out when I yakked in his car from the post-surgical stupor.)
Kay-T, I don't know that you'll see this while you're with your mom, but I hope you know that the CBs' good wishes are with you and yours.
G-G, I used to dream pretty often. As a kid, I had a nightmare about bugs bunny dying. Nowdays, when I dream, they're usually general anxiety dreams. Revolving around my being lost inside a giant high school (an amalgamation of every school I've ever attended), unable to remember my class schedule, what room my classes are in, unable to open my locker, and unable to find my car to escape. I haven't shared this one with the therapist yet....
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kay-t - Hugs to you and your family! So sorry...there really aren't words.
Cary - Sorry about your dad and grandma. My grandma fell twice two this year too, breaking first one hip and then the other. Hope your grandma is on the mend. I need to pester my family for an update on how mine is doing.
Theresa
(((Cary)))I hope your grandmother continues to heal quickly. And that the tears are a catharsis to help you handle your issues. Locking emotions up inside can contributed to the development of everything from high blood pressure, heart disease and cancers
Remember putting on a stoic front is a male contribution to society. Probably because of the primal reaction to women crying that Bryan mentioned
On crying ... I used to do it more. I'm pretty emotional, I guess, and yes anger and frustration would do it. But as you guys have already said, if you cry people tend to not take you seriously. So I channelled the anger tears into an attitude I refer to as 'hulking-out' because I turned into something I don't recognize and don't really like. Not really an improvement.
But they deserved it.
Cary, so many people had it in for Bugs, its no wonder you worried!
I'll be doing my baking this weekend and shipping Monday.
Theresa - good to hear from you.
Christina said...
Anybody else have the misfortune of crying when you become angry? I hate it. It totally diminishes the point I'm trying to make and makes the other person automatically think I am a hormonally irrational person. And it impedes a true catharsis, at least for me.
It depends on how angry I am and the trigger for the anger. I'm pretty easy-going most of the time, and prefer to resolve a conflict without fighting. However, there are times when something extreme happens and that can set me off like Vesuvius. It's ugly, it's nasty and I don't like the reaction. Plus, I can't think of a situation where me going ballistic is an appropriate response. Those are the times when I'm more likely to drive the anger inward, before I go ballistic, but emotion has to have somewhere to go, and it will come out in tears. Hopefully, I'll have walked away from the conflict before that, so that I don't come off like an idiot.
A wise person once told me that there's a difference between losing my temper and using it. In the extreme cases, which, thankfully, are few and far between in my life, I take myself away from the situation, process, and then come back when I can address it firmly and effectively.
Less bloodshed that way. *g*
I,too, cry with anger and with happiness and with sadness. I hate that I cry so easily but the fastest way to make me cry and to become a real b***h is to make me angry. Not a nice me then. MY MIL always has said that my bladder is too close to my eyes.
bryan thanks for answering the question. you started an interesting catharsis for a lot of us. /,D
Still doing NaNo, still have trouble with yex and kisses. I have finally started just writing he kissed her in italics so that in editing I can go back and do it better. I have just dropped the major conflict into the story and now I don't know how to resolve it. Of course I have no idea how I got this far so I guess it will come to me. I am going to our writer's meeting this weekend and asking for help. I have reached 42,000 words so I guess I will make it if I don't dry up now. Don't plan to. I didn't know I had it in me. My balloon that was the inspiration for the piece is slowly diminishing but I hope it lasts to Nov.30.
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For teasing Jenny a happy Mayer gets Xonerated.
SDCB the balloon just feels like it's diminishing because you are at an important point in the story. You'll discover which way the story is going to go from here and all of a sudden your balloon will be rocketing up shooting for the stars with you writing like crazy to try and keep up with it
Christina said...
Anybody else have the misfortune of crying when you become angry? I hate it.
Oooh, that's me. My mom, too. I heard her telling a friend once that she cried when she was really angry out of frustration because, by that point, all she wanted to do was bash the other person's head in with a blunt instrument, and that's not legal. Hence the frutration. ;+) And that about covers it for me, too. So, when someone cries when they're angry, probably a good idea to back away and let the issue drop.
me said...
does the hero need to mention the non-use, followed by the heroine explaining she's covered?
A lot of whether you have to do this or not can depend on your publisher. Early on, like early to mid-90s, Virgin, which published the Black Lace erotica line, had in their guidelines that the condom issue had to be stated clearly. Of course, if you're writing alternate worlds or supernatural creatures, that's different. I see a lot of contemp authors dealing with the condom issue, but a lot of others don't. Why don't you leave it the way you're comfortable with, then you can change it if an agent or editor asks?
Kay T said...
my mom is dying and I am off to visit/help right now.
Oh, Kay T, I'm so sorry. Like the others have said, we're all here, thinking of you, hoping for the best. Take care of yourself and you'll have more to give your mom now when she needs it most. (((hugs)))
ScopeDope, congrats on that word count. Way to go!
Dreams - I think those school-based dreams are universal. I still get them, too, when I'm feeling out of control.
Andi, that's a hoot about your dreams, but your poor husband!
When I was little, I had a nightmare that an owl was sitting on my window sill spitting at me. Bizarre as that sounds, it terrified me. After I was an adult, I learned that one hot summer night, when I'd been allowed to sleep with my window open (screen firmly in place), some freak had been outside my window whispering to me, trying to talk me into opening the screen for him. I don't remember that incident at all - apparently I screamed and my dad chased him away - but, clearly, it made an indelible impression which I translated into the spitting owl. Yikes.
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I used to dream about being late for exams or walking into class and having an exam that I didn't know about. If I remember correctly (which is questionable), I had most of them after I finished college. And then there is the coming to class naked dream.
The main dream I remember from childhood involved falling off the hill behind our house which had turned into a cliff and grabbing a Texaco sign. Then there were wasps. I remember going into my parents bedroom and telling them there was a wasp nest on my pillow. They told me it was a dream and to go back to bed. I did but curled up at the foot. My biggest fears as a child were heights and bees/wasps/hornets. No clue why the Texaco sign was there.
Well, it's a couple posts back now, but to procrastinate a bit before getting to work, here are some of the dreams I remember from when I was a child/teen.
The earliest one was of kittens drowning in a whirlpool in a local creek and I couldn't save them - I woke up crying and devastated. Actually, just thinking about this one still upsets me.
Then there was the one when aliens were taking over the world. Never SAW the aliens, just knew that it was happening.
And the one that was like a scene out of a weird horror movie.
Oh and I had one about Scooby Doo, but instead of everyone escaping from the monster at the last minute, they were instead caught and Bad Things Happened.
Don't call in the white lab coats.
Why don't I ever remember any happy dreams?
And the work didn't magically disappear. Darn.
Theresa
Kay T & Cary: Hugs.
Cary and Kay T: (((HUGS)))
i loved my dreams. had some bad ones, but had some really good ones too. also, dreams have created a lot of different scenes in my stories.
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